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To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

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schloss · 03/10/2024 19:13

I have tbh and say there has been a change in the type of tourists visiting here since covid - as I have said before I am happy for people to experience other parts of the UK. The one positive from covid is many people saw parts of the UK which they would never have seen before as they could not fly to other destinations.

What it has done though is change the demographic of those visitors be it for good or bad. People want to view the wonderful environment, see local traditions, shop in small villages and towns, all enjoying what the area has to offer. Sadly there are some visitors who have visited over the last 3-4 years who like the area but want it to adapt to meet their needs, so wanting to park in remote areas where other visitors would walk to, want swanky bars, want more adventure options (zip wires etc) rather than just enjoying what is here naturally.

Some locals are concerned about the changes as they feel they are not all for the good of the area. From that I think it is a natural progression to becoming more protective of our surroundings and more circumspect of visitors and incomers alike.

Nowdontmakeamess · 03/10/2024 19:12

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:55

Please tell me how we can police house sales? People sell their homes in good faith and hope they’ll fit in with the community. And they don’t.

In the town I’m from some people ask potential buyers to write a letter explaining why they want the house if they only want a family to live there, but really they could write anything just to get their hands on it.

Yelloworangetomato · 03/10/2024 19:11

WithManyTot · 03/10/2024 19:00

Do the tourists ride for free then? The revenue from the tourists lowers the subsidy from the tax payer. With no revenue the tax payer may well decide it's just not worth it...

Not free but it's road equivalent tariff now isn't it?

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 19:09

WithManyTot · 03/10/2024 19:00

Do the tourists ride for free then? The revenue from the tourists lowers the subsidy from the tax payer. With no revenue the tax payer may well decide it's just not worth it...

So the ferries are run by the government.

The prices are set based on road pricing levels which is why a crossing from Ullapool to Stornaway (which takes 2h 40m) for 2 adults and a car is less than £90, which is less or the same as the Dover-Calais ferry which is much quicker. Prices the same year round. The ferry is an essential island service so the Scottish government absorbs the cost and there is no need for it to make a profit. The service will continue however much money it makes/loses.

Tourists pay the same rate as islanders, or anyone else in Scotland wishing to use the service as there is not two-tier pricing. Ferry places are limited and if the tourists buy up all the tickets, the locals can't get off the island.

As with many things in Scotland, it would be easy to come up with some sort of charging to make it cheaper for residents, more expensive for tourists. This is very common between the Spanish balearic islands, or between the Balearics and the mainland. Residents pay a fraction of the tourist price.

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 19:00

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:58

I bet they don’t.

Attitudes like that and you wonder why the "incomers" might want to change things. How horrible.

WithManyTot · 03/10/2024 19:00

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:56

Equally, the tourists subsidise the ferry, no tourists, no ferry for the locals . There is nobody with no gain...

In Scotland that is just not true. CalMac which runs the ferries is publicly owned. Because it is essential national infrastructure. It's actually the Scottish taxpayer who is subsidising the ferry for the tourists.

Do the tourists ride for free then? The revenue from the tourists lowers the subsidy from the tax payer. With no revenue the tax payer may well decide it's just not worth it...

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:58

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:57

I never said I don't like them. They are people. I love some, like others and dislike some. I said I detested a certain attitude that some of them had. I can still like or love them as people. Many people may well consider me and my children to be locals now anyway.

I bet they don’t.

Sunnysundayicecream · 03/10/2024 18:57

I was born and have lived in the lake district most of my life, and we do need tourism to survive.
However I do find it sad that my children won't be able to afford a home here, I can trace my family back to 1540 and this will be the first generation to move out. I also miss the strong cumbrian accents I grew up with.
I do however find that most people who move here appreciate and look after the countryside as well as getting involved in cumbrian life as well as bring valuable skills to the community. People moving here is fine they give back to the community, second homes and Airbnb are the problem.
I also wish businesses wouldn't bring swanky bars/restaurants, it doesn't feel like part of the local tradition.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:57

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:53

The fact that you’ve got no idea what I’m talking about says it all. You don’t like the locals, well they probably don’t like you either.

I never said I don't like them. They are people. I love some, like others and dislike some. I said I detested a certain attitude that some of them had. I can still like or love them as people. Many people may well consider me and my children to be locals now anyway.

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KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:56

Equally, the tourists subsidise the ferry, no tourists, no ferry for the locals . There is nobody with no gain...

In Scotland that is just not true. CalMac which runs the ferries is publicly owned. Because it is essential national infrastructure. It's actually the Scottish taxpayer who is subsidising the ferry for the tourists.

venus7 · 03/10/2024 18:55

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:32

The problem is rapidly becoming volume.

Skye is a perfect example. The population of Skye is just over 10,000. The island gets 1 million visitors a year, mostly between April and September. This leads to absolute bedlam as the infrastructure just can't cope with thousands of cars on wee single track roads, driven often by people who have no clue about driving on the left, and even less of a clue about how to use passing places.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge.

Over-tourism is ruining the beauty spots everyone wants to see. That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

Exactly this; over tourism and instagram.......an unholy alliance...is ruining every beautiful, unusual, previously unspoilt place.

Yelloworangetomato · 03/10/2024 18:55

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:48

Or one could say Farage is the one who is best at channelling people's anger and frustration about their lack of money/resources/opportunity, caused by years of terrible government, and turning them into anger about 'non-natives' ie immigrants instead.

One could... but if wealthy incomers move to remote areas for that elusive sense of "community" they can't seem to find in the multicultural areas they're moving from - we can't exactly criticise those who are witnessing the dissolution of their communities, it's a legitimate concern and the idea that the mindless herd are being steered towards this narrative just doesn't hold.

Cohesive high trust communities have many benefits. And are easily disrupted. People of any economic strata would be sad to lose it

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:55

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 18:51

Well you allowed the influx didn't you? They didn't steal the houses from you. Could have sold to other locals if you all wanted to.

Please tell me how we can police house sales? People sell their homes in good faith and hope they’ll fit in with the community. And they don’t.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 18:54

This might sound very out there, but if your family have been living in a particular region for generations and generations, you will have both a spiritual and physical connection with that land. We have seen huge upheaval in migration, especially over the past 300 years. I personally don't believe it has been success worldwide. I know a man who was bored and raised in Chile (although his grandparents are European). He looks down on the country and has no respect for the natives. We are experiencing a worldwide identity crisis.

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:53

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:43

Ha what are you talking about? I wasn't aware there has been a long running civil war involving a British tourist hotspot. You haven't protected anything! People just didn't want to live in your area until now.

The fact that you’ve got no idea what I’m talking about says it all. You don’t like the locals, well they probably don’t like you either.

WithManyTot · 03/10/2024 18:51

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 18:44

Yes. See also the Western Isles - in the summer months locals struggle to leave the island as the ferries book up months in advance with tourists. Yes, tourism is important to parts of the economy, but not to everyone. Lots of people are merely inconvenienced by it, and gain no benefit.

You do know how an economy works? The visitor pays the holiday let owner to stay. The holiday let owner pays the butcher for some meat. The butcher buys some meat at the abattoir. The abattoir pays the farmer for the sheep. The farmer pays the farm shop for some feed..... and so on.

Equally, the tourists subsidise the ferry, no tourists, no ferry for the locals . There is nobody with no gain...

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 18:51

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:49

We protected it very well thanks before the influx. Unfortunately we don’t have an interview process to keep twats out before buying a house here.

Well you allowed the influx didn't you? They didn't steal the houses from you. Could have sold to other locals if you all wanted to.

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:49

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 18:36

If there's so many "incomers" you haven't protected it very well at all have you really?

We protected it very well thanks before the influx. Unfortunately we don’t have an interview process to keep twats out before buying a house here.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:48

Yelloworangetomato · 03/10/2024 18:39

Which is why Farage will be getting more than 14% in the next GE, loss of native culture is an important issue for the electorate and Farage is the only option for any who choose to express this

Or one could say Farage is the one who is best at channelling people's anger and frustration about their lack of money/resources/opportunity, caused by years of terrible government, and turning them into anger about 'non-natives' ie immigrants instead.

TheGander · 03/10/2024 18:48

Triffid1 · 03/10/2024 14:36

They should take the appraoch we take in Cape Town: tourists are welcome, we love to take their money, we'll happily rent them out expensive apartments and hotels and lay on all kinds of fabulous things they'll love to spend money on.... but they will never be one of us and even if they move here, we will look down on them forever ++

++ obviously, while this is largely true, I'm actually being facetious. Cape Townians can be right wankers and ridiculously cliquey, even if I am one (although that might explain why I don't live there anymore!) Grin

I preferred Durban for all the reason you outline above.
Grabs rucksack and rings kind cousin and aunt in Durbs.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 18:47

The problems, by the way, are not the fault of the tourists themselves, but with people in remote offices making grand campaigns to encourage people to visit areas where there is not the infrastructure nor the services to actually support them. The problem is also a general lack of spending on infrastructure. Govts see tourism as an income stream but aren't generally willing to spend what's needed to ensure that tourists are well provided for and that services aren't stretched past breaking point.

venus7 · 03/10/2024 18:47

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:27

It will go the same way as other areas with high house prices and a high demand for cheap unskilled labour. It's hardly a unique issue to tourist hotspots.

Importantly though I never said there shouldn't be any affordable housing for essential workers but that this shouldn't ear marked for locals. If it's all about keeping essential services going then surely you wouldn't object to this? Get the best people to do the required jobs in as opposed to who happens to live there.

People coming from other areas to do catering/cleaning work are not deemed to be essential workers, nor are they likely to have dependants in the area.
I think if you state you detest certain people, you can't be surprised if you antagonise them.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 18:46

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 18:38

That's not the point I was making. I was making the point that the word 'native' (in relation to the British Iseles) and Nigel Farage shouldn't be associated with one another. There are native languages, cultures, customs on the British Isles that are simply existing and doing their own thing for centuries. They shouldn't be associated with Farage, politics, ignorance or hate. They are removed from that.

It seems to me that once one gets into questions of what is 'native' and how long certain things have been around, one is not removed from but inevitably in Farage territory.
Or, to put it another way, he is adept (as a good populist) at connecting people's feelings of/desire to 'belong' and to be from a tradition of some sort with their frustrations at lack of work/money etc.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 18:44

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 18:32

The problem is rapidly becoming volume.

Skye is a perfect example. The population of Skye is just over 10,000. The island gets 1 million visitors a year, mostly between April and September. This leads to absolute bedlam as the infrastructure just can't cope with thousands of cars on wee single track roads, driven often by people who have no clue about driving on the left, and even less of a clue about how to use passing places.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge.

Over-tourism is ruining the beauty spots everyone wants to see. That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

Yes. See also the Western Isles - in the summer months locals struggle to leave the island as the ferries book up months in advance with tourists. Yes, tourism is important to parts of the economy, but not to everyone. Lots of people are merely inconvenienced by it, and gain no benefit.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 18:43

ttcat37 · 03/10/2024 18:34

Well, why would people that have lived here for generations, who have stayed because this is their home (not a ‘tourist hotspot’), welcome more people here who, like you, seem to want to change the fabric of the area that we have protected for so long?

Ha what are you talking about? I wasn't aware there has been a long running civil war involving a British tourist hotspot. You haven't protected anything! People just didn't want to live in your area until now.

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