To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

I’m a remainer!! I’m making the point that lots of people would say things like that.

I’m assuming beauty hot spot locals never go on holiday themselves, are never tourists anywhere. Otherwise that would be quite hypocritical.

I can see it from both “sides”.

The main issue imho with young local people being priced out of a desirable area by “second homers” is the dislocation of family support networks.

On the other hand, it’s a free country and anyone should be able to live wherever they want. I’ve recently moved to a beautiful coastal town and am enjoying the beach and sea swimming immensely. I’m glad I wasn’t prohibited from moving here.

Sadly they often don't spend that £50 with a local business. They arrive in a campervan having done their shopping at a supermarket beforehand, clog up the roads that weren't designed for them, drive to all the "must see" spots so they can take a photo for IG then park up wherever they feel like it rather than paying to stay at an actual campsite.

The roads are becoming undrivable in places because they're so damaged. Residents in one part of Skye have been unable to get back to their homes on multiple days because of total gridlock for hours.

Skye welcomes tourists but there is a limit. I would fully support a toll on the bridge.

I'm not being simplistic, just open mined and realistic. I live in one of the areas that is the bette noir of the Welsh government and always in the papers. It is expensive in the nicest part, but a short ride away you can buy a house for 3 times average local wages, you cant do that in most other parts of the country.

In summer it is very busy, with tourist spending money. Out of season like most world wide tourist resorts it is quieter. Those of us left enjoy the better facilities provided for and by the tourists, and enjoy a quite few months together. The community still exists and is if anything stronger than ever.

My friendly local builder tells me that for the last 10 years, most of his projects are for people from Liverpool/Manchester/Birmingham renovating local derelict properties. Millions of ponds into the local economy and expanding the housing stock. Who would want to stop that?

The narrative that tourist and second homes are bad, is lazy simplistic thinking aiming to play for easy votes from hard of thinking. To everyone who says they want less tourism, I ask what will you replace the money with?

Hello Brexit...

Planning policy in National Parks favour holiday accommodation over housing. You can look it up if you can be bothered. So you'll get planning for converting an outbuilding to a 2 bed holiday let, but not for a permanent rental, because one of their aims is STILL stated as encouraging visitors.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere.

In a sense, people who grew up in a place ARE more entitled to live there (or perhaps more precisely have much more of a need to live there) than people who move there as adults/later in life, with no local connections, because they can now afford a nice/pretty place to live and have randomly chosen this one. The problem is, when locals are priced out of any kind of housing anywhere near the community where they grew up, they lose the support networks they have spent a lifetime building. And the people who move in don't necessarily gain access to those networks or contribute to their new communities. Also, what happens to the "ugly", less desirable communities if everyone who can afford to move away does move away?

Although I see your point, you could then say the same about people who are lucky enough to be born in one country and get to have citizenship there vs those born in other countries and have to escape. The whole
immigration concept.

You're being very simplistic.

These people raise prices for houses which means local people can no longer afford them. Their houses lie empty all through the winter meaning street after street of dark windows. Older people have no neighbours to keep an eye on them (empty houses) and their children and grandchildren can't afford to buy locally. I'll be one of those older people in a few years and I'm disabled so I will need people around me.

We don't really want second home owners here to be honest. They don't contribute much at all after their house renovations are complete (and often use outside contractors anyway) but they make huge demands on housing stock. Our home is our home, not a tourist playground.

Two tier pricing is common in other places. We are planning a trip to Fuerteventura soon and looked at ferry prices. For a non-resident to travel Fuerteventura to Lanzarote it's 17 euros one way as a foot passenger. For a resident, the same journey is 4.25 euros - 25% of the price.

Nobody is saying we don't want tourists in rural Scotland. We welcome s manageable number of tourists, but some of the most popular places are overrun to the stage that ambulances can't get through.

Moving to a beautiful area to make a life for yourself and your family? Sure, go right ahead. Buying up a house that could have gone to a local and turning into a holiday home you visit once a year? Get tae fuck.

Someone’s desire for a specific type of holiday should be way down the priority list after someone who needs that house to live in.

Translation: Where I live second home owners pour hundreds of thousands of pounds into the local economy and make little demands on infrastructure. In summer so much tourist money is poured into the local economy, that sometimes it gets a bit busy

I know people will rage at this - but having tourist honeypot areas (eg Skye) does protect other wild areas away from these honey-pots from excessive visitor numbers. Obviously it's crap if you live there though!

Generally, people are fairly unimaginative in where they visit (eg hillwalking - they go up Ben Nevis or Ben Lomond, the paths of which which look like a queue on good weekends in the summer - but that leaves other munro's much quieter, means loads of businesses open nearby, keeps everyone safe and contained...).

Where I live is very beautiful but second home owners are a bit of a scourge. They buy up houses, demolish them, build McMansions and then only stay in them 2-4 weeks a year. It's not good for our community. And yes it's annoying when summer tourists dump litter everywhere and it gets so busy in summer we struggle to get on with life. Simple things like getting to the pharmacy or Post Office become missions.

Well sadly the buggers living in wealthy areas tend to vote for central governments that don’t like spending much on poorer areas. Hence most of the south (apart from parts of London) historically loving the Conservatives, voting them in repeatedly.

Families don't want to live in hotel rooms either - but they have to when there is nowhere else to live. I think a families right to a home is more important than a families right to their preferred holiday accommodation.

As for people selling to the highest bidder - you can't expect people to act against their best interests. Legislation is needed to stop residential properties being used as holiday lets e.g. require planning permission for short term lettings and heavily tax or again require planning permission for second (empty) homes.

You would have more of a point if it wasn't those that move in that despise the tourists and those that move in after them even more.

Its also equally hypocritical that those that move in almost always try and change the area that they move into. Anything from the church bells are to loud to the local farm/factory is to loud, smelly and dusty.

Not read the whole thread, but our town has had a massive influx of Londoners. They don't want to move here for the beauty, they want to move here for the house prices.

My ex-Londoner boss invited me to his Christmas party last year. All the people, bar me, had moved from London. All of them cited their reason for moving as the ability to purchase a large family home and a 2 bed rental flat here for the same price as a 3 bed in London. One of my bosses neighbours lives in his house for 4 weeks in August. The rest of the year it's empty.

It made me sick. So many of my friends can't afford to buy here, as all these Londoners have pushed the price of a house skyhigh.y

I live in the Peak District and detest the fact that only those that can afford can live here whether they are outsiders or insiders 😁. I don’t ever see any evidence of outsiders not being wanted. What I do see is nearly half the village being second homes.

In that instance i would be entirely in favour of a two tier system

The argument I'm making is not 'no tourists', it's that we need more ferries. Rural areas have scant services and these are easily overwhelmed due to poor planning from those in charge.

As has been explained, this is totally incorrect re ferries.

Thanks for the patronising economy lesson, though!

Would there be enough locals to keep the pubs bars restaurants and shops going the rest of the year?