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Partner with autism lacks empathy: what is a good response?

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CallyT · 03/10/2024 13:15

Overall he is very sweet and generous but sometimes I feel I can't really speak to him about my feelings.

Recently I thought a long term friend had ghosted me. I told him it had upset me and he said 'yeah but you can choose how you react to it'. Which upset me more!

This is like saying anyone can 'choose' to react to break ups, a bereavement, etc. What is a good response to this?

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gannett · 04/10/2024 10:08

And yes "you can choose how you react to it" is terrific advice to stop someone wallowing. Whatever you're feeling, your course of action still needs to be a conscious decision.

StormingNorman · 04/10/2024 10:07

It doesn’t make sense to ask for empathy from an autistic person who doesn’t have the emotional bandwidth to give that.

This is what you sign up for when you have a relationship with someone whose autism is expressed that way.

You need to lean on your friends and other family.

Thalia31 · 04/10/2024 10:06

CallyT · 03/10/2024 13:15

Overall he is very sweet and generous but sometimes I feel I can't really speak to him about my feelings.

Recently I thought a long term friend had ghosted me. I told him it had upset me and he said 'yeah but you can choose how you react to it'. Which upset me more!

This is like saying anyone can 'choose' to react to break ups, a bereavement, etc. What is a good response to this?

That was actually good advice. Odd it upset you.

gannett · 04/10/2024 10:05

I'm also a solution-focused fixer. I don't think it's a sex thing or even an autism thing. When someone complains to me my mind only goes to what concrete steps they can take, or I can help with, to resolve their problem. When I complain to someone it's because I can't think of a solution and I want them to come up with one! I don't want a hug and I don't want them to just hear me out.

OP, how long have you been going out with your partner? If it's a fairly new relationship it's OK to realise you need a partner who's better at the whole huggy empathy stuff, and go and find one. If it's a longer-term one, if he's got enough good points that outweigh this, you might need to just deal with the fact that this is how he is, and it's a very common personality trait. He won't change and you shouldn't make him change.

CallyT · 04/10/2024 10:02

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 09:58

I think this is really defeatist. That we should turn to others for emotional comfort and give up on emotionally connecting with our partners because they’ve not learned that skill yet. It’s not impossible or faking anything, it’s just pausing and allowing space for emotions. Emotions are really intense with autism so it’s a defence mechanism to close yourself off from them, but it’s not in your best interest to do so.

Yes the thought of having to turn others outside of my relationship all the time to get this need fulfilled is not really something I want.

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CallyT · 04/10/2024 10:00

drspouse · 04/10/2024 09:18

There's a great book about this I read ages ago - I think by Deborah Cameron? Does that ring a bell with anyone.
I'm not sure if my DH is different or I just worded it differently but when my mum was really cold about something recently I told DH "I'm still really upset about X. She was so rude!" he said "oh I know, she was wasn't she". Which I'm guessing is the kind of response you wanted.

Yes, exactly.

Sometimes when I'm upset I just him to commiserate, not give a solution off the bat.

I want him to recognize my emotion and hurt as a first step.

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InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 09:58

Meadowfinch · 04/10/2024 09:22

But that means you expect the other person to change how they think, because you won't or can't. And you don't think you are being unreasonable !

How about each of you accept how the other thinks, and when you need to vent, or when he needs a logical answer to a problem, you each choose someone else in your family circle to provide what is necessary.

I think this is really defeatist. That we should turn to others for emotional comfort and give up on emotionally connecting with our partners because they’ve not learned that skill yet. It’s not impossible or faking anything, it’s just pausing and allowing space for emotions. Emotions are really intense with autism so it’s a defence mechanism to close yourself off from them, but it’s not in your best interest to do so.

LockForMultiball · 04/10/2024 09:57

NellGB · 04/10/2024 09:38

I was going to say exactly this. Autistic people don’t lack empathy, they show empathy differently.

He’s absolutely right in what he said, and I personally would’ve found his comment helpful.

An autistic person applying the "What would I want in that situation?" rule, and offering the support that instinctively feels the most helpful and natural to them, is often dismissed as unempathetic and insensitive. They may learn, or be told, to try and suppress their natural empathetic response, and remember to substitute it with the unintuitive response that the other person actually needs. Difficult to learn with a social communication disorder, but sure, I do my best.

Meanwhile, no matter how many times I tell someone that being touched when I'm upset or stressed only multiplies my distress, many people cannot/will not learn to suppress their natural, instinctive response of a shoulder-pat, an arm-stroke, a hug, a handhold. I try to hide the additional distress they've caused, for the sake of their feelings. But if I explain and request that they don't touch me when upset — or even if they've seen it push me into a state of wordless panicked withdrawal that takes hours to recover from — they'll go right ahead and touch me again the next time. It just feels right to them to touch a distressed person, I guess, and they either forget it won't help, or just think that their way is right regardless. Such empathy.

NellGB · 04/10/2024 09:38

ntmdino · 04/10/2024 08:41

He doesn't lack empathy. The offering of a solution to the immediate problem of you feeling bad is a display of empathy; he doesn't want you to feel bad. He knows that if he was in your position, he'd want somebody to offer a solution...so he's putting himself in your shoes and doing the same for you. What would you call that, other than "empathy"?

It's just not the non-statement platitude you're used to from neurotypical friends.

Look up the double empathy problem, and realise...to him, you lack empathy - because if you react to his problems with "Oh, that's so horrible...", he's going to feel the same way as you do about this - because to him, the correct response is to help with a solution, not commiserate.

Edited

I was going to say exactly this. Autistic people don’t lack empathy, they show empathy differently.

He’s absolutely right in what he said, and I personally would’ve found his comment helpful.

LockForMultiball · 04/10/2024 09:35

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:45

It doesn’t help though. So ideally you would learn to respond differently so you actually can help the person talking to you. You’re human therefore you are capable of this. It’s just different to your usual patterns of behaviour.

Or in other words, "You can choose how to react" 🤣

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/10/2024 09:30

Musicaltheatremum · 03/10/2024 14:17

I sometimes think male brains respond differently to female ones. If I have a problem my husband tries to solve it when I want empathy! First husband was the same.

Can be annoying at times

I don’t think it’s necessarily an innate sex-based thing, so much as how we’ve been raised to handle emotions, conflict, and challenging situations: and I suspect that because of the way boys and girls are socialised differently, with boys often discouraged from being emotional and encouraged to “do” rather than “be”, many men end up with that mindset more so than women.

I’m a solutions-focussed type, I very rarely get upset or anxious or stressed or scared, but when I do my immediate reaction is to think “what can I do to sort this situation out?” The last thing I want is somebody placating me or agreeing that I should be upset because it doesn’t help the problem!

I’ve learned over time that others respond differently to their emotions, and I’ve gotten much better at just offering friends who want it sympathy, or a hug, or letting them cry and have a vent; but it often feels terribly false and empty to do so, because inside I’m often thinking “what’s the point of all this, it isn’t actually addressing the issue that’s making you upset / anxious” (although I accept that some people do feel that the sympathy does help the problem) and it’s definitely not something which comes instinctively.

CallItLoneliness · 04/10/2024 09:25

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 08:15

You’re perfectly entitled to your perspective and to live like that, but it comes with limitations. Namely that you will lack real intimacy with the people around you as you’re not willing to emotionally connect. In a relationship your partner is likely to feel progressively more stressed and unhappy and then leave you to find someone who is willing to connect with them.

My DP is autistic and has a naturally dismissive personality in some ways but has been willing to listen to me, to grow and change to build a stronger relationship with me. He can connect better to his feelings too and sees that as important to his experience of life.

So how have you changed to accommodate him? Serious question.

Meadowfinch · 04/10/2024 09:22

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:45

It doesn’t help though. So ideally you would learn to respond differently so you actually can help the person talking to you. You’re human therefore you are capable of this. It’s just different to your usual patterns of behaviour.

But that means you expect the other person to change how they think, because you won't or can't. And you don't think you are being unreasonable !

How about each of you accept how the other thinks, and when you need to vent, or when he needs a logical answer to a problem, you each choose someone else in your family circle to provide what is necessary.

itwasnevermine · 04/10/2024 09:19

He is right though.

You can choose how you react to things and how they throw you off

drspouse · 04/10/2024 09:18

Musicaltheatremum · 03/10/2024 14:17

I sometimes think male brains respond differently to female ones. If I have a problem my husband tries to solve it when I want empathy! First husband was the same.

Can be annoying at times

There's a great book about this I read ages ago - I think by Deborah Cameron? Does that ring a bell with anyone.
I'm not sure if my DH is different or I just worded it differently but when my mum was really cold about something recently I told DH "I'm still really upset about X. She was so rude!" he said "oh I know, she was wasn't she". Which I'm guessing is the kind of response you wanted.

Meadowfinch · 04/10/2024 09:17

Musicaltheatremum · 03/10/2024 14:17

I sometimes think male brains respond differently to female ones. If I have a problem my husband tries to solve it when I want empathy! First husband was the same.

Can be annoying at times

This

ForKeenLimeOtter · 04/10/2024 09:10

It's important to understand emotion but teaching someone to act in a way that they don't feel is a completely pointless exercise for them, and only gives the impression that they're behaving in an acceptable way.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 08:55

ForKeenLimeOtter · 04/10/2024 08:49

This is called masking and is why a lot of people spend their lives trying to work out what someone wants from them and acting in that way rather than being themselves.

If it was the other way round and the person wanted solutions and not emotion how would you know what is required of you?

I disagree, speaking from a family with lots of autism. Active listening is a skill. As is connecting to and expressing emotions. People with autism need to be heard and connected with too.

ForKeenLimeOtter · 04/10/2024 08:49

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:45

It doesn’t help though. So ideally you would learn to respond differently so you actually can help the person talking to you. You’re human therefore you are capable of this. It’s just different to your usual patterns of behaviour.

This is called masking and is why a lot of people spend their lives trying to work out what someone wants from them and acting in that way rather than being themselves.

If it was the other way round and the person wanted solutions and not emotion how would you know what is required of you?

ntmdino · 04/10/2024 08:41

He doesn't lack empathy. The offering of a solution to the immediate problem of you feeling bad is a display of empathy; he doesn't want you to feel bad. He knows that if he was in your position, he'd want somebody to offer a solution...so he's putting himself in your shoes and doing the same for you. What would you call that, other than "empathy"?

It's just not the non-statement platitude you're used to from neurotypical friends.

Look up the double empathy problem, and realise...to him, you lack empathy - because if you react to his problems with "Oh, that's so horrible...", he's going to feel the same way as you do about this - because to him, the correct response is to help with a solution, not commiserate.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 08:15

Verv · 03/10/2024 20:02

How about you lot learn to stop harping on about feelings and just fix whatever the problem is.

Or at least mimic not being overly dramatic until you’ve calmed down enough not to unload it all over your nearest and dearests like a dump truck.

“just learn to respond differently” not sounding so great now huh.

You’re perfectly entitled to your perspective and to live like that, but it comes with limitations. Namely that you will lack real intimacy with the people around you as you’re not willing to emotionally connect. In a relationship your partner is likely to feel progressively more stressed and unhappy and then leave you to find someone who is willing to connect with them.

My DP is autistic and has a naturally dismissive personality in some ways but has been willing to listen to me, to grow and change to build a stronger relationship with me. He can connect better to his feelings too and sees that as important to his experience of life.

XenoBitch · 03/10/2024 21:31

From reading your post, I have interpreted your DP response as you can choose how to react in a practical way.. as in, do you ghost her back, have a bitch to other people about her etc. That is stuff you choose... but you can't choose how you feel, as in upset.

Just say you can't help how you feel, and state what it is you think would help.. be that a hug and a chance to rant, or whatever you feel best.

My DP is autistic, and when I am struggling with something, he is very solution focused, and will often suggest things that have helped him in the past, because that has worked for him. However, he does know that feelings are not a choice (he gets big feelings about some very minor things at times).

Verv · 03/10/2024 20:02

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:45

It doesn’t help though. So ideally you would learn to respond differently so you actually can help the person talking to you. You’re human therefore you are capable of this. It’s just different to your usual patterns of behaviour.

How about you lot learn to stop harping on about feelings and just fix whatever the problem is.

Or at least mimic not being overly dramatic until you’ve calmed down enough not to unload it all over your nearest and dearests like a dump truck.

“just learn to respond differently” not sounding so great now huh.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:46

OriginalUsername2 · 03/10/2024 13:59

I would say “I actually can’t. The feeling comes, it’s overwhelming and I have to deal with it.”

Explain how your brains work to each other as you go through things.

This is great.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/10/2024 19:45

Verv · 03/10/2024 15:46

Honestly, my brain just doesnt click with emotion and when other people talk about their feelings, i have no idea really whats going on but i know i need to make a response, and that response in my mind is whir through a collection of possible outcomes and offer a solution to fix or mitigate whatever is creating the upset so that it stops and you/someone feels better.
I know it comes across as callous and not in touch with feelings, but some people arent, but even if they arent, they still want to try and repair what is happening, even if its by saying something that seems utterly outrageous like "you can choose how to react"
Not helpful to you, but to the cold brained, a perfectly reasonable solution.
Hard to describe, but i can tell you that however clumsy, that was meant to help.

It doesn’t help though. So ideally you would learn to respond differently so you actually can help the person talking to you. You’re human therefore you are capable of this. It’s just different to your usual patterns of behaviour.

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