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Given the world conflict situation are fireworks in bad taste?

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MatildaTheCat · 02/10/2024 14:00

I will preface this by saying that I’m no fan of fireworks anyway especially domestic ’ displays’ consisting of endless huge bangs which scare my dog into a state of terror.

Watching the news recently it occurs to me that seeing endless bombings of innocent civilians, many of whom are children, is essentially what firework displays are emulating. Bonfire night was originally meant to celebrate the events of the gunpowder plot to blow up Westminster. Terrorism in other words.

Is it not just a monumental waste of money and in incredible poor taste to have celebrations of this sort as people are literally being killed by actual explosives and not so very far from us?

Is there a better way of holding an autumnal celebration without using explosives?

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idrinkandknowthings · 02/10/2024 18:23

I love fireworks, I love bonfire night. My favourite smell in the world is Bonfire Night. I would however like to see private displays banned for any day including New Years Eve other than the 5th of November, if not completely, but not because it's in bad taste, but for wildlife and animals.

It isn't in bad taste. Bad taste would be setting them off because we all like to hear the sounds of bombs going off. But it's not about that is it?!

I would like to see children being taught why Guy Fawkes and his co-conspirators did what they did in a lot more depth though rather than the blanket 'Guy Fawkes was nasty and we hate him'. Perhaps then they can understand what happens when religions/peoples are oppressed, they can learn what happened to Catholics in this Kingdom leading to their decision to conduct 'the plot'. That's a good lesson. Anyway, went off on a tangent there! Sorry!

BobbyBiscuits · 02/10/2024 18:23

It's normal for Guy Fawks, Halloween, Eid and Diwali. Why should legitimate festivals have to be censored and people's fun spoiled because there are wars on. I can't speak for whether letting off fireworks in an actual warzone is a good idea or not, but here in the UK it's perfectly safe and positive to celebrate these things in the traditional fashion.

CranfordScones · 02/10/2024 18:22

To the people saying it's a celebration of democracy / anti-terrorism etc - twaddle! Democracy is a relatively recent innovation.

Historically, it's an anti-catholic celebration.

AgileGreenSeal · 02/10/2024 18:20

okayhescereal · 02/10/2024 14:50

Very unlikely to admit this IRL as wouldn't want to be labelled a total fun sponge but I have gone right off fireworks. I always loved them growing up/as a young adult, but as I've become more aware of human impact on wildlife, pollution levels etc, and then additionally given consideration to what loud bangs and explosions may remind certain people of (PTSD etc) it now makes me uncomfortable on a multitude of levels. Not just at this time of year, but new year and other occasions too. Feels like one of those things where it's enjoyable to many, but at a cost to many others including a great many pets and wild creatures who spend night after night in a state of high stress just so humans can enjoy some pretty colours and loud noises.

Do think those saying if you weren't going to do them because of the current conflicts then it would be basically saying ban them forever because there always seems to be a war somewhere. That wouldn't be my main motivation to move away from them tbh. Not sure it would unite the masses.

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“additionally given consideration to what loud bangs and explosions may remind certain people of (PTSD etc)”

thank you.
I’m one of those “certain people”.

BrieHugger · 02/10/2024 18:20

Loud fireworks should be on 5th November only. No issue with smaller silent ones the rest of the year. I don’t think they should be sold in supermarkets though, there should be some sort of restrictions on who can buy them and in what quantity and category.

Rass · 02/10/2024 18:18

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TickingAlongNicely · 02/10/2024 18:14

Just from a safety point of view, I think they should be restricted to registered displays.

Our Local Council gives funding to registered displays to encourage people to attend them rather than buying their own.

StMarieforme · 02/10/2024 18:13

I'm off to some much loved fireworks in Derbyshire on Saturday. I correlation whatsoever with a war anywhere.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 02/10/2024 18:09

Pretty fireworks are not the same as bombs landing on your home.

One is for entertainment and the other for killing.

HTH

MurdoMunro · 02/10/2024 18:05

@SprigatitoYouAndIKnow I’m one of the ‘haters’ I suppose but i haven’t got any further than saying that I find the particular noise of them troublesome and have explained why. I don’t have a case for banning them to make for you, but I do think it’s acceptable to say I don’t care for them. Same to @Rass, you’ve gone off like a rocket there!

hairbearbunches · 02/10/2024 18:03

They're bad for the environment and they terrify wildlife.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 02/10/2024 17:59

The gunpowder plot was a little over 400 years ago. I doubt there has been a single moment in that hasn't had armed conflict somewhere across the globe. What makes this group of affected people more important? It is always sad, but we can't put all lives across the globe on hold every time there is a war. If you don't like fireworks, just argue the case for that.

thomasinacat · 02/10/2024 17:27

Remember, remember
The fifth of November
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot
I see no reason
Why Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot

I know PP have already mentioned, but it bears repeating - Bonfire Night is to celebrate that a terrorist plot failed, not to celebrate the plotters actions!

Nostalgianostalgic · 02/10/2024 16:59

@Rass there are several displays on round here and they all sell out every year.

I don't think that the hatred on mumsnet reflects the general public.

Most of us just live and let live.

Appalonia · 02/10/2024 16:55

Just don't see how the two are related. There's little enough joy and fun in the world as it is, do you want to ban EVERYTHING Just in case someone, somewhere is offended? I'm that case it's a pretty long list OP...

Rass · 02/10/2024 16:55

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MurdoMunro · 02/10/2024 16:53

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Except there is (motorbike noise) - https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200304/ldlwa/40525wa1.pdf

Nostalgianostalgic · 02/10/2024 16:52

Mumsnet seems to be very anti fireworks in a way that I just don't see in real life.

I don't correlate fireworks with war and bombs in the way that people seem to on here either.

I see fireworks as a celebration and a pretty display of light.

There are arguments against them. They can be very dangerous in the wrong hands, they are very noisy and I don't like the thought of frightening pets and wildlife.

There are certainly arguments for restricting public sale and restricting them to certain nights of the year.

Some people seem to want to ban anything that they don't like.

MontysBakehouse · 02/10/2024 16:48

I loathe fireworks but, whilst I do see what you're saying, I think it's a stretch.

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SidekickSylvia · 02/10/2024 16:47

I don't mind organised firework displays, but I wish people didn't use them in their gardens, especially at random times of the year to celebrate a birthday or something. I've got used to soothing the dog during the first week of November, but when you're woken up at midnight on a Wednesday by small explosions because it's Nicky's 40th, it's bloody annoying.

Pinkandbluesocks · 02/10/2024 16:46

atichoo · 02/10/2024 16:39

It's not just about pet owners being entitled though, is it? Although I'd question whether it's 'entitled' to not want defenceless animals terrified out of their wits.

What about the people that they impact? Including ones who have disabilities? Are they entitled too? Or are they actually entitled to be minding their business in their own homes of an evening without completely unnecessary and excessively loud booms causing them pain, distress and trauma?

You think I'm exaggerating there? I'm not. Try working in my profession^^ and you'll see otherwise.

It's not just about that. However, I'm referring specifically to entitled pet owners complaining.

And yes, telling other people they ought to change their behaviour because of the predictable impact of your (general) decision to own a pet in a society you knew full well had an annual fireworks festival when you chose to get the pet is absolutely and unequivocally entitled. It happens every year, and this thread will no doubt progress that way.

Other forms of complaint about fireworks exist, but they don't legitimise that particular one.

Singleandproud · 02/10/2024 16:43

It's not just pets though. It's vulnerable people and we are fortunate to have lots of wildlife around s if dogs and cats are scared so are foxes, badgers and deer.

atichoo · 02/10/2024 16:39

It's not just about pet owners being entitled though, is it? Although I'd question whether it's 'entitled' to not want defenceless animals terrified out of their wits.

What about the people that they impact? Including ones who have disabilities? Are they entitled too? Or are they actually entitled to be minding their business in their own homes of an evening without completely unnecessary and excessively loud booms causing them pain, distress and trauma?

You think I'm exaggerating there? I'm not. Try working in my profession^^ and you'll see otherwise.

Pinkandbluesocks · 02/10/2024 16:25

SoupDragon · 02/10/2024 16:18

Bit early for the annual firework whinge to start isn't it?

Fireworks are a million miles away from missiles and bombs.

I think we're right on time! Entitled pet owners complaining are a real fixture of the Mumsnet October.