We will dance again

The IRA hid among the Irish civilians, too. Maybe we should have dealt with The Troubles by the wholesale bombing of Dublin because who cares how many civilians you kill as long as you get a terrorist or two, right?

Aren't you forgetting that hamas is the elected government of Gaza? How do you think the British would have reacted if the IRA were in fact the government of Ireland and launched an attack on them? How do you think any country would react in that situation? Why is Israel held to a different standard?

There’s a whole missing piece of education in your posts, @namechange11112222

People calling for all Jewish people to be exterminated have no place living in a western society.

Yet it’s ok for Netanyahu to reference Amalek, for the Israeli military to state their intention to “erase Gaza from the face of the earth” and to state “there will be no electricity, no water, only hell”. ?

and as for your “not many safe places left”- many?! ANY. You seem to have no clue what the landscape of Gaza is if you think for a minute telling the civilians to move away from bomb threats is anything more than a cruel facade.

the aid centres, the hospitals and the shelters have been bombed. The Israelis have left nothing safe there.

Is this the first time you've taken notice of that region? I'm sceptical about the Hamas attack and taking it as face value. But before the attack, there was mass murder and the ignoring of human rights by Israel. People in this country and globally have been campaigning in support of the Palestinians for years.

OP, get your head out of your arse. Nothing justifies what Israel is currently doing (and what they were doing before 7/10) in Palestine.

And for the record, I have no problems with the Jewish people. Jewish faith has some beautiful things to say about the value of life: "each person is a world, a universe." I can see nothing of that sentiment in Israel's actions. The videos and messages being sent between IDF soldiers that have been leaked are atrocious, nightmarish and steeped in violence and hatred. Israel shouldn't be conflated with Jewishness - to do so is to do a disservice to Jews.

So... nothing justifies the atrocities committed on 7th October, yet any and every act of violence done by Israel is justified by the actions of Palestine. Israel has "right to defend itself", but Palestine... what? Should roll over and accept the extermination of itself? It's a cop out to respond to the flattening of Gaza and the west bank with "well I condemn the loss of ANY innocent lives". Israel is doing nothing but annihilating innocent lives.

I wasn’t referencing the troubles. My family date back in Ireland for centuries. I’m Irish. I’m catholic. I’m really not referencing the troubles, I’m talking about things way closer to home. Easter rising for one. The “famine” that didn’t exist. The persecution of catholics for centuries.

I saw it. It was so sad. That festival looked great fun, until Hamas arrived.

The idea that Israel can somehow bomb itself to peace is so wrong. I can't help thinking this was all part of Hamas plan, and Israel has walked right into it. Thousands of children dead under Israeli bombs, even if those children were Hamas shields, are never going to win heart and minds in support of Israel.

In the same way I don’t condone what the IRA did, but from years upon years of unlawful killings, inprisonment and colonisation of Ireland from Britain, you have to start looking at what has pushed these groups into their actions.

So does that mean we should expect more Manchester Arena style bombings? Because the War on Terror led to millions of deaths & Im not really comfortable with the idea of getting murdered because of it.

Also why do people only ever reference the IRA when talking about the Troubles?? Loyalist groups killed more civilians!

What a lovely world we’re living in where in 2024, being anti genocide equates to antisemitism.

It’s not really that deep. They were complacent & too confident, it’s human nature.
The Bush administration also ignored warnings before 9/11

Sorry OP but I’m not going to agree with all you say.

I don’t condone the murder of anyone, but it’s not Isreal that are defending themselves. The attack from hamas last year was 75 years in the making of Palestinians defending themselves. For 75 years they’ve been being unlawfully detained, murdered and displaced.

In the same way I don’t condone what the IRA did, but from years upon years of unlawful killings, inprisonment and colonisation of Ireland from Britain, you have to start looking at what has pushed these groups into their actions.

The attack from hamas does not justify ‘Isreal defending themselves’ by attacking multiple countries now, beheading babies with missiles and causing starvation of civilians.

Educate yourself properly because your view point is DEEPLY flawed and disturbing.

Then bombed them in shelters in bray, and hospitals and queues for aid etc

When will war mongering heavily armed states like Israel, Britain and the US realise that terrorism is the inevitable outcome of their behavior. It's all the smaller country has and as we all know , its extremely effective because it's very difficult to counter no matter how large the army. Every bully boy act, every expansion, creates ever more terrorists.

Israeli intelligence has managed to infiltrate the multiple manufacturers of communications equipment of their enemies and simultaneously detonate hundreds of them (no care as to where they were at the time by the way and something that would have required ridiculous amounts of advance planning). They have known the exact locations of multiple enemy leaders and commanders at the precise moment they needed to...... Yet they completely and utterly failed to have any knowledge or warning of a massive attack on their own population that gave them a blank cheque to do what they have wanted to for years.

I don't normally do conspiracy theories, but but the complete lack of intelligence followed by the absurd precision of it seems anomalous to my tiny and uninformed mind!

Maybe we should have dealt with The Troubles by the wholesale bombing of Dublin because who cares how many civilians you kill as long as you get a terrorist or two, right?

Well the British army did kill civilians & Im not sure why you would bomb Dublin to deal with the Troubles?

10,000,000 killed in the Congo genocide by King Leopold. It’s hardly ever mentioned when atrocities are recalled.

Gaza has been absolutely fucking decimated, and now Israel are bombing another two? Three? Countries. Poor, poor Israel. 🙄

Are you joking ? Douglas Murray the right winger doom monger.

The immediate threat of Iran and its terrorist proxies may be to Israel but the ultimate threat is to the entire world.

Sure. Because if the English government had carpet-bombed Dublin to kill a few IRA members then anyone who suggested it was in any way a disproportionate response would only be doing so because of their deep-seated hatred of British people.

I hate these threads as, apart from OP, they remind me what a cesspit of antisemitism Mumsnet is.

I’m off to watch some Douglas Murray to calm down :)