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namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 12:24

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
  2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

  • UK - 885,000 deaths
  • Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

  • 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
  • 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan
  • 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

  • 179 English soldiers
  • 4,492 US soldiers
  • 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

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KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 03/10/2024 19:09

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Any other country do that (Hamas run Palestine for instance) or just a Jewish country?

Lalaloveya · 03/10/2024 19:05

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Lalaloveya · 03/10/2024 18:58

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 03/10/2024 18:55

When Ukraine release information on the casualties of their war with Russia is that also propaganda?

I was responding to another post. I'm not sure why you're asking me this or how it's relevant to the previous post.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 03/10/2024 18:55

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When Ukraine release information on the casualties of their war with Russia is that also propaganda?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 03/10/2024 18:54

INeedAnotherName · 02/10/2024 21:21

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered

I guess the Manchester arena bombing is no longer in your conscious thoughts. Nice.

Remind me again how many innocent Palestinians have been slaughtered?

40,000 according to a previous poster. Which is of course far too many.

Any comment on the Jews slaughtered and raped on October 7th?

INeedAnotherName · 03/10/2024 18:51

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 16:47

There is no genocide in Gaza. It’s grotesque that you suggest otherwise. There are casualties of war, many Hamas fighters have died and some civilians, just like in Nazi Germany. The sooner Hamas surrender and release the hostages, the better.

many Hamas fighters have died and some civilians,

SOME??? Good grief 😱

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 17:45

Palestine and Isarael may well be engaged in a never-ending war but that does not give Israel the right to bomb the shit out of Lebanon.

Lebanon should deal with Hezbollah in which case and not allow them to spend a year bombing Israel from their soil.

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 17:38

@Littleonesick so you meant "console". That makes sense now

There isn't a genocide unless I've missed the court ruling.

I mix (never mingle) with lots of people and the
ME is just something on the news, The only time anyone talks about it is around irritation at crusty marches and a fair bit about our erstwhile first minister overstepping his authority for his own personal reasons

Paganpentacle · 03/10/2024 17:20

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 17:17

Hamas truly are evil, I agree, for firing rockets that fell on a hospital:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion

As well as for using hospitals for their terrorist command centre, which is why they are full of bombs and weapons.

They weren't the only ones as well you know.

Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 17:19

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Same old. Criticise Israel and you get called an antisemitic to shut people up.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 17:18

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Words do have meaning and telling everyone who doesn't agree with you that they're an antisemite renders the word meaningless.

There's clear evidence of genocidal intent and ethnic cleansing by the Israeli government. They even called for a second Nakba. They're committing war crimes everyday and anyone who objects is an antisemite.

You're not on the right side of history.

Paganpentacle · 03/10/2024 17:13

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Bombing hospitals is a war crime.

Kendodd · 03/10/2024 17:11

I was thinking, this documentary should be required viewing, for all people in Palestine, Lebanon, etc. And if a similar documentary could be produced showing the horror Israel is inflicting on people in Gaza, every Israeli citizen should be made to watch it. Unfortunately, I expect if this did happen, Palestinians and their supporters would be cheering every Israeli death and Israelis would be cheering every 'enemy' death. Both sides are completely blind to the grievances of the other.
I despair.

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 17:11

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 03/10/2024 17:06

Palestine and Isarael may well be engaged in a never-ending war but that does not give Israel the right to bomb the shit out of Lebanon.

Terrorist group Hezbollah has been firing thousands of rockets for the past year in solidarity with Hamas, forcing 150,000 Israelis from their homes, and recently killing 12 Druze children. That’s reason enough.

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Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 17:08

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 16:55

@Littleonesick Don't be so rude please

I have to watch and not be goady or inflammatory so I will
Politely ask, why would I need to "placate" myself. In fact, can one placate oneself? I always thought it was something f one did to another. Maybe you meant something else.

I know I'm right though. On the CIME board it is just the same handful of posters who repeat ad nauseum and jump on EVERY thread with false claims of genocide and ethnic cleabsibg.

And to be honest, in real life hardly anyone bothers. It's just an echo chamber on CIME

Yes, you can placate yourself ie console.

And to be honest, in real life hardly anyone bothers.

Right, so the people who you mingle with don't. So by default you assume the same for others? Everyone who I have even vaguely spoken to about it have been disgusted by Israel's genocide.

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 03/10/2024 17:06

Palestine and Isarael may well be engaged in a never-ending war but that does not give Israel the right to bomb the shit out of Lebanon.

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 16:55

@Littleonesick Don't be so rude please

I have to watch and not be goady or inflammatory so I will
Politely ask, why would I need to "placate" myself. In fact, can one placate oneself? I always thought it was something f one did to another. Maybe you meant something else.

I know I'm right though. On the CIME board it is just the same handful of posters who repeat ad nauseum and jump on EVERY thread with false claims of genocide and ethnic cleabsibg.

And to be honest, in real life hardly anyone bothers. It's just an echo chamber on CIME

Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 16:55

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 16:47

There is no genocide in Gaza. It’s grotesque that you suggest otherwise. There are casualties of war, many Hamas fighters have died and some civilians, just like in Nazi Germany. The sooner Hamas surrender and release the hostages, the better.

The irony of talking about Nazis whilst simultaneously defending those monsters who are bombing schools, hospitals and refugee camps 🙄

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 16:48

QuickMember · 03/10/2024 16:33

Did you watch his interview with Bari Weiss recently? I love this man and his wisdom.

No, I’ll check it out! I enjoy listening to him but it depends who he’s speaking with, I don’t enjoy shouting matches. Bari Weiss I’m sure will be good :).

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 16:47

Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 16:33

Shame on Israel and all those who defend the genocide.

There is no genocide in Gaza. It’s grotesque that you suggest otherwise. There are casualties of war, many Hamas fighters have died and some civilians, just like in Nazi Germany. The sooner Hamas surrender and release the hostages, the better.

QuickMember · 03/10/2024 16:33

VideoKilledRadioStar · 02/10/2024 21:47

I hate these threads as, apart from OP, they remind me what a cesspit of antisemitism Mumsnet is.

I’m off to watch some Douglas Murray to calm down :)

Did you watch his interview with Bari Weiss recently? I love this man and his wisdom.

Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 16:33

Shame on Israel and all those who defend the genocide.

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