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namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 12:24

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
  2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

  • UK - 885,000 deaths
  • Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

  • 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
  • 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan
  • 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

  • 179 English soldiers
  • 4,492 US soldiers
  • 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

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MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 22:05

Lalaloveya · 03/10/2024 22:02

I'm amazed people still buy this rubbish a year in. Christ.

hmm, and what did they find hidden in the hospitals then? I think you’ll find there were terrorist tunnels, weapons and equipment. And as for the ridiculous remark about the pagers…, well you would only have one of those if you were terrorist wouldn’t you..,,,

Lalaloveya · 03/10/2024 22:02

MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 21:57

Don’t hide f’ing terrorists under them then 🤷‍♀️

I'm amazed people still buy this rubbish a year in. Christ.

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:01

MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 21:57

Don’t hide f’ing terrorists under them then 🤷‍♀️

So blowing up the pagers and electronic devices used by medical staff in hospitals is not considered terrorism?

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 21:57

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 16:47

There is no genocide in Gaza. It’s grotesque that you suggest otherwise. There are casualties of war, many Hamas fighters have died and some civilians, just like in Nazi Germany. The sooner Hamas surrender and release the hostages, the better.

The International Court of Justice ruled it genocide. These are literally the most qualified judges in the world.
Please stop spreading genocidal propaganda. Some of us were sick to our stomachs watching that genocide.

MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 21:57

Littleonesick · 03/10/2024 16:55

The irony of talking about Nazis whilst simultaneously defending those monsters who are bombing schools, hospitals and refugee camps 🙄

Don’t hide f’ing terrorists under them then 🤷‍♀️

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 21:56

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 21:30

Sorry @DottieMoon Are you saying that a terrorist organisation like hamas are a lesser evil than the IDF?

Fucking hell Mumsnet

Re Mnhq I thought the same re this thread

Anotherparkingthread · 03/10/2024 21:53

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candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 21:51

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 21:27

It's an unusual genocide with a population growth

This keeps getting repeated like it's some kind of gotcha.

The definition of genocide is:

a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

The Israeli government have spoken many times of wanting to absolutely destroy Gaza and there are open plans to corral Palestinians into Egypt.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 21:48

DottieMoon · 03/10/2024 20:58

It’s terrifying that people actually buy in to this propaganda and believe hamas are the greater evil when you have Israel bombing and murdering civilians across four countries simultaneously

You do know that Hamas are proscribed terrorists?

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CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 21:45

onionbhajiplease · 03/10/2024 21:05

Hamas want the complete eradication of Jews and Israel. They've stated this, couldn't have made it clearer than they have.
This is a war between the developed and the developing world and there is no negotiation with Hamas because they want to remove Israel and Jews from the planet.

But it’s exactly the opposite!! Palestinians are getting eradicated. Their children are slaughtered in crazy numbers -tens of thousands.
Israel is slaughtering civilians left right and centre all the while playing a victim (with the same exact propaganda you posted above) Self-defence, really?
I can’t even imagine what it’s like being a mother in Palestine, I literally cried for months on end watching Israelis’ atrocities

Neuroticmillenial · 03/10/2024 21:42

It’s a bunch of extremists at war and innocents pay the price.

I’m not a fan of Netanyahu and the Israeli gvt but I have family in Israel. They have bomb shelters everywhere including their homes. And of course the iron dome. I wish Palestine had the same but Hamas don’t care about their own people.

It’s worth remembering that there’s over 69m people living in England compared to around 7 million people living in Israel. An attack on the same scale as Oct 7th would claim over 10,000 lives. Imagine if this was perpetrated by a foreign government, not some random terrorist. The Manchester bombings aren’t comparable. Both equally devastating but a false equivalence.

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Ah,.. so the 40,000 dead are adult males only. Excellent homing missiles and bullets that can discriminate and not kill children. Should get that patented pretty damn quick.

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Very twisted.

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 21:30

Sorry @DottieMoon Are you saying that a terrorist organisation like hamas are a lesser evil than the IDF?

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herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 21:27

AmarenaCherry · 03/10/2024 20:11

Why don’t Hamas care enough about their own people to return the hostages and agree to a ceasefire? Don’t you think if Israel really wanted a genocide they could have just nuked them already?

It's an unusual genocide with a population growth

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 21:24

Threads like this are pointless as there’s no agreement to be reached with Western leftwingers who willingly place themselves on the same side as an Islamist death cult. These people are literally our enemy.

It’s nonsense to claim Gaza was an “open air prison”, just look up the luxury car dealerships that were there!

And billions of pounds was spent on tunnel networks and terror infrastructure. Money flooded into Gaza for years.

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 21:23

Sorry but slaughter of children by Israel will never be forgiven or forgotten. It’s unprecedented in human history that children are the legitimate army target. Killed in such huge numbers without any remorse

Popcorn23 · 03/10/2024 21:16

namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 23:50

I will never condone the loss of civilian lives, they should have gone in with a much more tactical “feet on the ground approach” but the mass bombings have been far too much. It must be terrifying for the Palestinian people to live through.

I also don’t condone people walking around London with banners saying “from the river to the sea”, as that equates to mass extinction of all the people living in Israel.
People calling for all Jewish people to be exterminated have no place living in a western society.

There was someone further up the thread who said their actions are due to years of persecution, yet others saying restraint is the answer. Both of these cannot be true.
Nothing, absolutely nothing will ever justify (in my mind) what hamas did that day, and never will.

However, I do appreciate all the views on this thread. I believe debate is a healthy thing to be part of.

It is very upsetting that innocent Israelis were attacked at a festival but you cannot seriously think that Israel's action over many decades did not lead up to it. For many years, Israel has been illegally building settlements on Palestinian land, they were killing Palestinian children long before this latest conflict and had limited the movements and controlled the rights of Palestinians for years. Palestine had been called the largest open air prison in the world. The UN has been calling Israel last actions as illegal but did nothing to stop it.

I'm sorry, but even someone with the tiniest grasp or historical knowledge is aware of this.

There was a great documentary on iplayer interviewing former members of the IDF who admit their goal was eradication of the Palestinians long before the events that took place in 2023. I must add that anyone who cares an ounce about humanity should care about the whole of humanity, Arab or Israeli, black or white.

INeedAnotherName · 03/10/2024 21:06

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 03/10/2024 19:54

Yet you felt the need to comment on the Manchester bombing which was carried out by terrorists. 🤔

Based on the OPs comment in first post. Do keep up.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
Popcorn23 · 03/10/2024 21:05

candlewhickgreen · 02/10/2024 21:28

It's not happening as you've been given to believe. Gaza has been bombed indiscriminately, people are on the verge of starvation, tens of thousands of children are dead. People trying to get to aid trucks have been shot, hospital and refugee camps have been bombed.

Thousands of Palestinians have been detained with no charge in Israel, prisoners have been raped and Palestinians have been used as shields. Language has been used throughout the invasion calling for Palestine to be razed to the ground and for ethnic cleansing.

Now Israel are illegally invading other countries and Iran have retaliated. If their end game is peace then they're deluded.

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Absolutely spot on.

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