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namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 12:24

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
  2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

  • UK - 885,000 deaths
  • Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

  • 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
  • 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan
  • 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

  • 179 English soldiers
  • 4,492 US soldiers
  • 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

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herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 23:12

I can't believe it (or maybe I can)

That poor woman was rescued and her pain and suffering was all Israel's fault.

You couldn't make this shit up

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 23:11

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 23:05

Exactly, she'd been in captivity for a decade and had to wait even longer because of the invasion and her situation was made worse due to the humanitarian crisis.

No word of critisism for her captors then? She had to wait as long as she had because she was being held by some Hamas scumbag. The IDF on the other hand were involved in her rescue.

When has Israel not been in Gaza?

Since 2005. I used to think their blockade of the border was horrific, but then I saw what happened when that border got breached.

The invasion caused her more suffering on top of what she has already endured. You're perfectly aware that this is being used as propaganda.

Palestine has been under occupation for decades and has never been free. None of this happened in a vacuum.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 23:08

Limesodaagain · 03/10/2024 23:04

There are many legitimate reasons to criticise the actions of Netanyahu’s government but blaming Israel for this poor woman’s decade long suffering is a stretch.

Obviously I wasn't clear - I'm not blaming Israel for holding her hostage, I'm blaming Israel for prolonging her suffering.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 23:05

Exactly, she'd been in captivity for a decade and had to wait even longer because of the invasion and her situation was made worse due to the humanitarian crisis.

No word of critisism for her captors then? She had to wait as long as she had because she was being held by some Hamas scumbag. The IDF on the other hand were involved in her rescue.

When has Israel not been in Gaza?

Since 2005. I used to think their blockade of the border was horrific, but then I saw what happened when that border got breached.

Limesodaagain · 03/10/2024 23:04

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 22:23

They tried to rescue her months ago but couldn't because of the invasion

Mr Sinjaree said Ms Sido was in good physical condition, but had been traumatised by her time in captivity and by the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw5v077nyjo.amp

So this woman's suffering was prolonged and exacerbated by the Israeli invasion.

Edited

There are many legitimate reasons to criticise the actions of Netanyahu’s government but blaming Israel for this poor woman’s decade long suffering is a stretch.

Tellysavelas · 03/10/2024 23:03

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 22:56

Again, gently, no @CoolMummy123

You're wrong. The IJC haven't ruled it a genocide

If they do, I'm happy to call it thus, but until then, you're misinterpreting your own links

Who is the biggest donor to the ICJ? The USA.

And who is up Israel’s bum? The USA.

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 22:56

Again, gently, no @CoolMummy123

You're wrong. The IJC haven't ruled it a genocide

If they do, I'm happy to call it thus, but until then, you're misinterpreting your own links

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 22:55

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 22:46

Exactly, she'd been in captivity for a decade and had to wait even longer because of the invasion and her situation was made worse due to the humanitarian crisis.

When has Israel not been in Gaza? This is just the next part of the Nakba.

I take it you know that under Ariel Sharon, Israel dismantled its settlements in Gaza in 2005 and evicted 9000 of its own citizens, using the army against the settlers.

This was a historic mistake and Hamas took
full advantage.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 22:46

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 22:38

They tried to rescue her months ago but couldn't because of the invasion

She'd been in captivity for over a decade.

Also let's not forget why Israel is in Gaza. Calling it "the invasion" makes it sound like they're Russia or something, rather than a response to an attack by Hamas.

Exactly, she'd been in captivity for a decade and had to wait even longer because of the invasion and her situation was made worse due to the humanitarian crisis.

When has Israel not been in Gaza? This is just the next part of the Nakba.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 22:39

The ICJ is trying to issue an arrest warrant for Satanyahu but UK is trying to delay it.

Grow up.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 22:38

They tried to rescue her months ago but couldn't because of the invasion

She'd been in captivity for over a decade.

Also let's not forget why Israel is in Gaza. Calling it "the invasion" makes it sound like they're Russia or something, rather than a response to an attack by Hamas.

MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 22:31

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:11

Israel’s ex- prime minister admitted Israel dug those tunnels!
But that’s not terrorism, the terrorism is blowing up hospitals full of wounded, shooting journalists, humanitarian workers and medical staff, kicking people out of their houses and villages where they lived for thousands years, taking their children in the middle of the night, purposely starving children, blowing up electronic devices, attacking neighbouring countries etc etc

How absurdly deranged 🤣🤣
that’s a new one on me. Seriously I don’t know whether to laugh or cry….

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:28

@herecomesautumn

Since the beginning of the Israel–Hamas war in 2023, the Israeli military and authorities have been charged with committing war crimes, such as indiscriminate attacks on civilians in densely populated areas (including bombings of hospitals and medical facilities, refugee camps, schools and educational institutions, and municipal services); genocide; forced evacuations; the torture and executions of civilians; sexual violence; destruction of cultural heritage; collective punishment; and the mistreatment and torture of Palestinian prisoners. Humanitarian organizations such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B'tselem, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry, the UN Human Rights Council, and human rights groups and experts, including United Nations special rapporteurs, have documented these actions.[

Sexual and gender-based violence against Palestinians during the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:23

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 22:20

No @CoolMummy123

The IJC didn't

Yes I posted the ruling.
The ICJ is trying to issue an arrest warrant for Satanyahu but UK is trying to delay it.
The list of Israeli war crimes can be found here
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 22:23

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 22:14

I'm pleased she was released and am very happy for her family. What she suffered especially given the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, was horrific.

She was taken at age 11 in 2014. I doubt the recent crises was even close to the worst of what that poor child endured.

The International Court of Justice ruled it genocide. These are literally the most qualified judges in the world.

They have not:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

They tried to rescue her months ago but couldn't because of the invasion

Mr Sinjaree said Ms Sido was in good physical condition, but had been traumatised by her time in captivity and by the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw5v077nyjo.amp

So this woman's suffering was prolonged and exacerbated by the Israeli invasion.

Neuroticmillenial · 03/10/2024 22:22

@LumpBiscuit I’m responding to pp talking about the Manchester bombings. I’m in no way arguing that it’s a proportionate response.

The UK was condemned for the Dresden bombings but they argued the numbers were inflated, like Israel does now.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 22:22

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:19

No, that’s BBC 🙈 The ruling is here
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454
There are many others rulings such that Israeli occupation is ILLEGAL in the first place
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/experts-hail-icj-declaration-illegality-israels-presence-occupied

Did you read the link below? It explains the outcome

herecomesautumn · 03/10/2024 22:20

No @CoolMummy123

The IJC didn't

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:19

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 22:16

@CoolMummy123 Read the link in pp your post is not correct

No, that’s BBC 🙈 The ruling is here
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454
There are many others rulings such that Israeli occupation is ILLEGAL in the first place
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/experts-hail-icj-declaration-illegality-israels-presence-occupied

Summary of the Order of 26 January 2024 | INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454

immigrant002 · 03/10/2024 22:18

namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 12:24

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
  2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

  • UK - 885,000 deaths
  • Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

  • 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
  • 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan
  • 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

  • 179 English soldiers
  • 4,492 US soldiers
  • 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

The fact that you have to bump your own propaganda "all ward have casualties" poor us bullshit no one is buying this anymore give it up .

EasternStandard · 03/10/2024 22:16

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 21:57

The International Court of Justice ruled it genocide. These are literally the most qualified judges in the world.
Please stop spreading genocidal propaganda. Some of us were sick to our stomachs watching that genocide.

@CoolMummy123 Read the link in pp your post is not correct

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 03/10/2024 22:14

I'm pleased she was released and am very happy for her family. What she suffered especially given the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, was horrific.

She was taken at age 11 in 2014. I doubt the recent crises was even close to the worst of what that poor child endured.

The International Court of Justice ruled it genocide. These are literally the most qualified judges in the world.

They have not:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

Joan Donoghue with other judges at the International Court of Justice

Israel-Gaza: What did the ICJ ruling really say?

The ICJ ruling has come under intense scrutiny, centring on the word "plausible". What did the court mean?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 22:13

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Did you watch the documentary that this thread is about?

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 22:11

MyrrAgain · 03/10/2024 22:05

hmm, and what did they find hidden in the hospitals then? I think you’ll find there were terrorist tunnels, weapons and equipment. And as for the ridiculous remark about the pagers…, well you would only have one of those if you were terrorist wouldn’t you..,,,

Israel’s ex- prime minister admitted Israel dug those tunnels!
But that’s not terrorism, the terrorism is blowing up hospitals full of wounded, shooting journalists, humanitarian workers and medical staff, kicking people out of their houses and villages where they lived for thousands years, taking their children in the middle of the night, purposely starving children, blowing up electronic devices, attacking neighbouring countries etc etc

VideoKilledRadioStar · 03/10/2024 22:08

CoolMummy123 · 03/10/2024 21:57

The International Court of Justice ruled it genocide. These are literally the most qualified judges in the world.
Please stop spreading genocidal propaganda. Some of us were sick to our stomachs watching that genocide.

No, the ICTJ made no such ruling. Please educate yourself or at least try to be honest if you’re doing this on purpose.

global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza

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