We will dance again

press.un.org/en/2024/gapal1465.doc.htm

@DottieMoon they don't. They do however believe a democratically elected government should hold themselves to higher standards than terrorists.

Personally I am on the side of neither the Israeli government or the terrorists and I think trying to pick the 'best' side out of the two is like trying to pick if you'd rather die of breast or lung cancer. It's a misnomer designed to divide people by asking them to pick between two horrendous choices neither of which are 'right'. But we can be on the side of all the civilians- Israeli and Jew - who are caught up in all of this and suffering needlessly.

YANBU at all, OP, but these threads always fill up with people who are either very naive and blinkered, or I don’t know what another explanation for their views are, tbh. And I don’t know what they think will happen if Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah win. Sweeties for everyone who isn’t Jewish, or female, or gay, or in some other way offensive to fundamentalists? Jolly good.

Considering the amount of deletions you have had on this thread I think I will be taking everything you say with a pinch of salt.

Does it really matter if they are Palestinians, Jordanians or Syrians? THEY ARE BEING MASSACRED ON A GRAND SCALE BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. That is all we really need to know.

EDIT - I don't do SM, only official sources.

Hardly starved, they have more food than they know what to do with. I have serious shawarma envy looking at the food out there in Gaza right now:

https://x.com/imshin/status/1840756391092351188?s=46

If there are problems it’s because Hamas gunmen hijack the aid trucks and control the black market in resale at street markets.

It’d be really ignorant to speak as if there was ever a state called Palestine inhabited by people known as Palestinians. In reality the people currently living there are Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians. It’s a tragedy of history that those countries won’t take back their brethren.

Look up Zahir Muhusein. He was a member of the Palestine LIberation Organisation. This is what he said in 1977:

“The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

What makes Palestinians so special?
😮

Maybe because they are being slaughtered and starved on a massive scale by a neighbouring country? Just a wild guess though

I look at countries around Europe, like Poland, Germany, Czechia and many more.

Displacement, redrawing boundaries, changing countries. And guess what, the world moves on. They're not seen as "refugees" for generations.

Even the ex Yugoslavia component countries have settled over the last 30 years.

What makes Palestinians so special?

Propaganda like, I dunno, telling porkies about the IJC??

Rejected because they had no choice about their country being divided up at the whim of Lord Balfour and the rest of his cronies after WWII
A land 'promised' in a tract in an old novel causes thousands to be displaced.
Imagine the council turning up and told you that they are annexing part of your garden because the people down the road were promised a garden.
So the people down the road suddenly have half your garden. Then they feel they are owed the sunny bit where your hotlips and delphiniums grow so well...so they just take it, throwing out anyone near it. Then your veg patch is teken over
Before long, they have taken over the whole garden and are eyeing up your house...

Here is the link to the Al Jazeera Investigates documentary I mentioned in my first post:

https://www.ajiunit.com/

Please watch this and the BBC documentary that this thread is about - for balance.

Yes, because antisemitism started in 1948 👍

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1841925437762764960

This tweet links to a video recently released by Al Jazeera where they make fun of the Hamas atrocities on October 7. It shows that they really represent hate, do not release balanced or truthful media and people should be far less willing to inhale their poison. Although I suspect many people actually want to do so

For all the pro-Israeli posters on here: I hear you. I try to understand. I absolutely wish peace for your nation and I want to see the elimination of anti-Semitism. I really fear that Israel is creating a global backlash and this will inevitably affect Jewish people. I am so sorry for each and every one of you who suffers any form of anti-Semitism. I am very aware that lots of Jewish people and Israelis do not support what Isreal is doing.
I also believe in the Palestinians' right to their homeland without being forced out of their homes or murdered.
Everybody on this earth deserves a good life, a peaceful life and a chance to succeed.

Well put.

Sorry op but there's two sides to the conflict here. I don't believe the hamas approach is acceptable or justified but neither were the settlements in the west bank or the golan heights.

Play with fire, get burned. On both sides. The violence from both sides is unacceptable and needs stopped

Plenty of rockets hit the military bases / factories. Lots of equipment destroyed.

I wish that Palestinians had the same safe infrastructure.

@LoseMeLikeAnArrow the rockets were intercepted by the iron dome and Israelis hid in bunkers.

Iran wasn’t deliberately careful.

Absolutely didn't mean to make that assumption. Just concerned for those who are either and the ramifications.

Did you just assume pro-Israeli posters must be Israeli and/or Jewish? Because I’m neither.

I will watch the documentary, because I believe in trying to understand every position, every point of view.

There is also a documentary made by Al Jazeera Investigates, taken from over 20,000 social media posts and other sources including from IDF, Hamas, the Israeli government and many of the people affected by the ongoing genocide. There is academic analysis of the Israeli occupation and their actions well before October 7th and since.

This year-long assault on a country that has no army, navy or air force has seen the most women, children, health workers, aid workers, volunteers and journalists killed than in all other conflicts / wars / genocides this century.

Iran struck, with precision, military targets, killing no civilians, proving it is possible to avoid murdering civilians. I'm not condoning it, just highlighting it.

Isreal is a sophisticated, technologically advanced military and yet there are 40,000 civilians dead (another estimate is closer to 180,000). The bombing is indiscriminate with no care for the life of the ordinary Palestinian.

Hind Rajab, a six-year old girl, stuck in a car with her dead relatives phoned for help. The rescue workers were bombed as they were within a few hundred yards of her. Hind was shot at point-blank range. Her murder is well-documented.

The IDF is no longer seen as the moral army. Israel is no longer seen as a democracy.

An estimated 66% of the British public condemn Israel's actions. This is a recent finding.

For all the pro-Israeli posters on here: I hear you. I try to understand. I absolutely wish peace for your nation and I want to see the elimination of anti-Semitism. I really fear that Israel is creating a global backlash and this will inevitably affect Jewish people. I am so sorry for each and every one of you who suffers any form of anti-Semitism. I am very aware that lots of Jewish people and Israelis do not support what Isreal is doing.

I also believe in the Palestinians' right to their homeland without being forced out of their homes or murdered.

Everybody on this earth deserves a good life, a peaceful life and a chance to succeed.