We will dance again

@Hagr1d

Your first sentence
"A genocide can be defined as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."

Apart from the fact there is a legal verdict of genocide, that whole sentence is what is debated. No one is saying people aren't being killed in large numbers but for what purpose. That would define a genocide.

And as genocides go, Israel are pretty bad at it then, as the population of gaza is growing

How is what is happening in Gaza NOT a genocide?

When the UK bombed Nazi Germany was it a genocide?

@Tellysavelas More selective reading

The special rapporteur concluded there were grounds to believe a threshold had been met

The pp said the IJC had ruled a genocide. They, and you, are incorrect

I honestly think anyone who doesn’t see that Hamas need to be eradicated and the war needs to continue until they put up the white flag of surrender, didn’t pay enough attention to October 7th.

Theres a 45 minute horror film of Hamas slaughtering children, mothers, families. Filmed by their own cameras as they whoop
with joy. I suspect it’s now available to watch online, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. But you can easily find articles by people who’ve seen it.

That’s what Israel is dealing with and the war should continue until Islamic extremism has been eradicated.

A genocide can be defined as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."

How is what is happening in Gaza NOT a genocide? 🤔

Literally entire families have been wiped out. Many who are still alive are now suffering from starvation, poor sanitation and a lack of medical facilities. These conditions are not exactly conducive to life and survival. I fail to see how how it can be interpreted as anything other than a genocide?

Don’t forget we ( NATO) intervened in Yugoslavia as there was ethnic cleansing going on.

What I don’t understand is why the Israelis want to take over Palestine. In 1948 when Jewish people were given most of the land in Israel, displacing hundreds of thousands of its existing inhabitants, why did they want to take more of it?

Israel was attacked in 1948 and again in 1967, on both cases they gained territory. If they hadn't been attacked, their territory wouldn't have expanded. Hopefully you do understand now.

Ugh OP, this post comes across as so ignorant, uneducated and one-sided. What Israel has been doing to Palestinians for literally YEARS is despicable. To act like Hamas just randomly attacked Israel for no reason is absolutely ridiculous. I literally can't even be bothered to go into how wrong this post is, on so many levels. Just go and look into it yourself, for goodness sake.

Whatever the background to 7 October, nothing excuses what was actually done. What Hamas did was mass depravity. And you've glossed over that, the violent butchery, torture, maiming and killing of innocent women and children, like it's nothing.
I think it's you that needs to go and look at yourself.

Gently , gently, so so gently, you are wrong.

The UN have called it a genocide multiple times.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/#:~:text=Over%2030%2C000%20Palestinians%20have%20been,population%20has%20been%20forcibly%20displaced.

Or over the bodies of their friends that were brutally massacred in front of them

Genuinely want to know which posts you thought were anti semitic? Actually googled it to just check in case I've got it wrong - apparently it can be defined as "hostility and prejudice" towards Jewish people. No one has said anything anti-Jewish?

Why is it that criritising the state of Israel makes you anti semitic? Most people can surely differentiate between your average Israeli citizen and the government. No state in the world should be above international law and all countries should be held accountable for their actions. Israel like to play the "anti semitism" card whenever someone criticises a political decision. No country in the world should be given a free pass to do whatever they like.

I can be horrified by what happened on October 7th but simultaneously be horrified by the fact that tens of thousands civilians have been killed in Gaza. I am genuinely baffled as to why so many people do not understand this. We are all humans and there has clearly been suffering on all sides.

The link I posted was an article from the University of Pennsylvania.

The same university whose head Liz Magill was summoned to testify before Congress because of the rampant antisemitism and anti-Israel bias at that institution. She later resigned because of her evasive and hateful answers.

So you can hardly claim that an article by UPenn legal academics is going to biased IN FAVOUR of Israel!

Nope. Again, gently, you're wrong

Show where it has been ruled a genocide and I'll be happy to call it and acknowledge it as that

Until then, it's your misinterpretation

Have you considered it's because they are still living under illegal occupation and the others you mentioned are not!

It was a genuine question

Maybe the Europeans would be in a similar situation, but they're not and why not?

I know people who came to the UK from a part of Europe that changed hands more than once. Their attitude is that people are people and it doesn't matter where the boundaries are. So why are Palestinians treated as perpetual refugees?

Americans are not impartial. In the slightest

What I don’t understand is why the Israelis want to take over Palestine. In 1948 when Jewish people were given most of the land in Israel, displacing hundreds of thousands of its existing inhabitants, why did they want to take more of it?

Nothing to do with jew hatred, that's just your skewed interpretation. It's to do with the Israeli government thinking they can annihilate anyone they deem unworthy of living. And that is fucking frightening.

@herecomesautumn It was a genocide but we’ve seen those before. What we didn’t see before is mass slaughter of the children and you are supporting it here, in Mumsnet! I have a child and it made me sick, it still makes me sick. And your posts are sickening

“Zionist owned media”? The link was to an analysis put out by an American university.

Your rabid Jew-hatred is really showing this morning.