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namechange11112222 · 02/10/2024 12:24

I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

  1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
  2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

  • UK - 885,000 deaths
  • Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

  • 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
  • 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan
  • 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

  • 179 English soldiers
  • 4,492 US soldiers
  • 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

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Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 22:02

Dariamar · 04/10/2024 21:56

Israel has offered the Palestinians multiple 2 state solutions over the years....they have all been rejected.

What were the conditions on offer?

Tellysavelas · 04/10/2024 22:01

Dariamar · 04/10/2024 21:56

Israel has offered the Palestinians multiple 2 state solutions over the years....they have all been rejected.

If Germany had taken most of England during WW2 and then offered a two state solution where Germany kept fuck loads of land, would the UK have accepted it?

Littleonesick · 04/10/2024 22:00

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:51

The current administration opposes the idea because it sees a sovereign Palestine as yet another existential threat to Israel, which is understandable isn’t it?

So you have gone from saying MOST Israelis want a two state solution to admitting that actually, no they don't but now you think that's understandable

Dariamar · 04/10/2024 21:56

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:43

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
I am not suggesting this, I am asking if the two state solution was something the Israeli government actually offered/discussed and Palestinian government subsequently rejected.
Or is it a hypothetical solution that public opinion would favour in some poll or another but is not likely for the Israeli government to propose this. In which case Palestinian government rejected an idea that didnt have any weight to it to begin with.

Israel has offered the Palestinians multiple 2 state solutions over the years....they have all been rejected.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:56

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:51

The current administration opposes the idea because it sees a sovereign Palestine as yet another existential threat to Israel, which is understandable isn’t it?

But then here we are... I have not seen any statistics supporting most Israeli citizens are in favour of two state solutions, but even if they did, and the government is against that, that does not leave much hope for the Palestinians.
And the current situation is an existential and urgent threat to them.

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:55

candlewhickgreen · 04/10/2024 21:52

What's the alternative?

It’s complicated isn’t it. If anyone had the answer we wouldn’t be in this fucking mess.

candlewhickgreen · 04/10/2024 21:52

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:51

The current administration opposes the idea because it sees a sovereign Palestine as yet another existential threat to Israel, which is understandable isn’t it?

What's the alternative?

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:51

The current administration opposes the idea because it sees a sovereign Palestine as yet another existential threat to Israel, which is understandable isn’t it?

Littleonesick · 04/10/2024 21:45

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:27

Would it surprise you Tulips to learn that most Israelis want a 2 state solution, a sovereign state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel but Palestinian leaders reject this?

That's a lie. Please share evidence that shows most Israelis want a two state solution? It's a small minority on the left who do.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:43

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:37

Are you suggesting the people of Israel are personally responsible for the actions of the government this conflict? Or am I the one with comprehension problems? Have you missed all the protests?

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
I am not suggesting this, I am asking if the two state solution was something the Israeli government actually offered/discussed and Palestinian government subsequently rejected.
Or is it a hypothetical solution that public opinion would favour in some poll or another but is not likely for the Israeli government to propose this. In which case Palestinian government rejected an idea that didnt have any weight to it to begin with.

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:37

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:34

I went to a conference some years ago involving both Palestinian and Israeli students and academics talking about the conflict. At the time there were no talks of a two state solution, would love to read more about it.
I suppose another question is, is the Israeli government keen on that, as you mentioned Israelis, is it the population or people in power?

Are you suggesting the people of Israel are personally responsible for the actions of the government this conflict? Or am I the one with comprehension problems? Have you missed all the protests?

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:36

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:29

Out of curiosity, which part of the post do you find repulsive? The bit I don't deny the horrors of the holocaust?
Or the bit I think no one has a right to commit genocide against another group of people?
My first comment on this post was quite incendiary unnecessarily I admit. But if the post you quoted gets me banned then I'd be pretty surprised.

And do feel free to have a look at gov dot UK. They have a definition of anti semetism on there which you really should read

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:34

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:27

Would it surprise you Tulips to learn that most Israelis want a 2 state solution, a sovereign state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel but Palestinian leaders reject this?

I went to a conference some years ago involving both Palestinian and Israeli students and academics talking about the conflict. At the time there were no talks of a two state solution, would love to read more about it.
I suppose another question is, is the Israeli government keen on that, as you mentioned Israelis, is it the population or people in power?

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:33

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Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:29

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:23

Repulsive

I'm amazed you haven't been banned

Out of curiosity, which part of the post do you find repulsive? The bit I don't deny the horrors of the holocaust?
Or the bit I think no one has a right to commit genocide against another group of people?
My first comment on this post was quite incendiary unnecessarily I admit. But if the post you quoted gets me banned then I'd be pretty surprised.

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:27

Would it surprise you Tulips to learn that most Israelis want a 2 state solution, a sovereign state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel but Palestinian leaders reject this?

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:23

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:19

Ironic to complain something was done to you as you are now doing the same to someone else.
OP mentions holocaust in op, but no on one is denying (at least I have not seen holocaust denial in any discussions) happened or the horrors of it, but why gloss over the horrors of what has been happening to Palestinian people for years?
Why use Hamas as a justification to what happens to ordinary people every day?

Repulsive

I'm amazed you haven't been banned

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:19

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:13

Ironic in what way?

Ironic to complain something was done to you as you are now doing the same to someone else.
OP mentions holocaust in op, but no on one is denying (at least I have not seen holocaust denial in any discussions) happened or the horrors of it, but why gloss over the horrors of what has been happening to Palestinian people for years?
Why use Hamas as a justification to what happens to ordinary people every day?

Littleonesick · 04/10/2024 21:16

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:11

What ethnic group? Arabs?

The Palestinians are a protected group who are currently having entire bloodlines wiped out by Israel!

In the Court's view, the Palestinians appear to constitute a distinct “national, ethnical, racial or religious group”, and hence a protected group within the meaning of Article II of the Genocide Convention

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:13

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:07

Is it disgusting to point out that a government of a supposedly civilised country has been trying to exterminate an ethnic group? I just said it's ironic in the historic context. If people consider this trolling, so be it.

Ironic in what way?

AmarenaCherry · 04/10/2024 21:11

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:07

Is it disgusting to point out that a government of a supposedly civilised country has been trying to exterminate an ethnic group? I just said it's ironic in the historic context. If people consider this trolling, so be it.

What ethnic group? Arabs?

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:07

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:02

After the utterly disgusting comments you posted, it's almost laughable that you are trying to take the moral high ground...

As for your sleep well...I'm cringing for you....nice try though.

We all know exactly what you're doing.

Is it disgusting to point out that a government of a supposedly civilised country has been trying to exterminate an ethnic group? I just said it's ironic in the historic context. If people consider this trolling, so be it.

Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:03

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Oh dear ... comprehension not your strong point.

It was your comparison to the Nazis.

Sleep well 😂

VideoKilledRadioStar · 04/10/2024 21:02

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Comedycook · 04/10/2024 21:02

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 04/10/2024 21:00

I'm glad you put two abd two together.
I'll leave you with this fact

"20 percent of the Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces and settlers in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, since 2000 have been killed after October 7, 2023 at a rate of one child every two days."

Sleep well tonight.

After the utterly disgusting comments you posted, it's almost laughable that you are trying to take the moral high ground...

As for your sleep well...I'm cringing for you....nice try though.

We all know exactly what you're doing.