We will dance again

Well I literally do, as your posts are public. If you don't like people disagreeing with you, don't post on a public forum and if you don't want you words misinterpreted you'll have to word yourself clearer (though I note you haven't actually chosen to clarify yourself) My opinion remains the same that people detracting from what is happening to people and redirecting the conversation to Hamas constantly is keeping an argument going about what should be a clear moral issue.

Give over - you really don’t know everything I’ve said or thought about this issue but you’re making lots of assumptions. I’m not wasting my time with people who just want an argument and don’t want to find common ground.

Oh dear …

The IDF - like every other army in the world- has some individual nasty bastards who need to be held accountable…. But at least they protect their own…unlike Hamas

No you're implying that an army who has been carrying out a genocide for a year now has some nasty individuals. You really don't have to give any props to people you condemn y'know.

Except that's not true. You could at least be informed before you say such things. They have already confirmed explicitly that the release of the hostages would not stop their plans for Gaza. And again our government do not support Hamas , they are and support Israel and refuse to condemn their criminal behaviour. The protestors are there to condemn our government and their complicity in a genocide.
I'm sure you're all over any threads or posts about pro Israel marches to ensure they're all condemning the Netanyahu and his genocidal colleagues...

I agree that this is absolutely disgusting

I actually have condemned both …

You chose go to comment that they might have some nasty individuals but you give them props for taking care of their own. No one asked what you thought of the IDF, you chose to contribute that which is also minimising that it's systemic it's not individuals and so I can choose to ask why you felt the need to tell us which murdering bastards you prefer. Why don't you just condemn Hamas and Israel? Why does one have to be better?
You sound like you do expect little of the IDF when they're bombing refugee camps, killing aid workers and healthcare workers and murdering children for over a year and you're stating it's some nasty individuals.

Hmm . It might have been done to death as far as your concerned.. But many feel differently.
Hamas are still keeping hostages … and if they’d released them none of this would have happened. I’m not sure it’s lazy to say that … regardless of how many times it’s been said people still seem to forget…

@Limesodaagain it seems you consider yourself to be fair on both sides.
Do you also question those who support Israel If they condemn the aggressive attacks carried out by the IDF?
Do you question them if they condemn the IDF for the cold blooded murder of Hind Rajab?
Do you question them if they condemn the extermination of Gaza's health care system by the IDF?
Do you question them if they condemn the IDF for burning alive people in tents? The list of crimes by the IDF is too long for me to list but I'm sure you are well aware of them.
so do you? Or do you only expect one side to constantly condemn?

But again you’re making assumptions…. Why do you think I expect so little from the IDF?

Oh for goodness sake - this has been done to death. They are there to protest the bombardment of the Palestinian people with bombs our government are supplying. I don't recall our government arming Hamas so I don't see why at this point after everything we have seen over the last year this lazy "condemn Hamas" is still being trotted out, they could do it at every match and it wouldn't actually make a difference.

They're a terror group though - I don't expect much of them at all especially not to act like a "government". I think that commenting where PP were accusing Palestinians civilians to be guilty to say how much you prefer the IDF to a terrorist group is a bizarre choice especially when they are a military of what's supposed to be a civilised government and are setting people on fire. I don't know how it's been over a year and the bar is still on the floor. Why are you expecting anything of terrorists? Why are you expecting so little from Israel and the IDF?

I accept that pro Palestinian posters on here say they absolutely don’t support Hamas but it is disappointing that pro Palestine marchers wouldn’t openly condemn Hamas on any of the marches. The only person who did condemn Hamas was Iranian and he was abused by marchers . I would never judge a Palestinian in fear for their life but I do think the protesters in this country are free to openly condemn Hamas and should have done so on the weekly marches - not just on mumsnet. We all agree they’ve been terrible for Gaza ( apart from the horror of October 7th)

@Msfrustrated
In my subsequent post I said “ - I think it’s completely unreasonable for anyone living in a place of safety to judge the Palestinians for not resisting Hamas. If I was Palestinian I would be far too scared to openly protest against them. My priority would be trying to ensure my family’s survival.”
So I’m not at all sure what your point is ..

But I didn’t call them “Hamas’s people “ . You’re twisting my words and my meaning.
I said Hamas doesn’t look after their own people…meaning the people they govern. ( Hamas ARE the government and have a duty to the people they are supposed to serve )

But what does that actually mean - no one can attend a protest unless they attend them all?

And when you say they only care if Jewish people are the perpetrators - firstly the marches are against the actions of the Israeli government and military not Jewish people.

(For the sake of addressing your comment I'm gonna ignore the facts of the people who protested against the actions in Syria and Iraq as you did) Even if someone attending one of those protests was only aware of what's happening in Palestine another country - what difference does that make? What actual difference to the immorality of Israel's actions does it make whether another countries immorality is also being protested? I'm trying to understand the intent of what you're saying other than to deflect from raising awareness about the plight of the Palestinian people. Maybe you can clarify if you had another intention.

It is integral to why alot of people are so upset about the marches as there have been so many conflicts where alot more people have died (Syria,Iraq etc) but we didn't have regular protests which makes people suspicious that these people only care when Jewish people are the perpetrators.

Because this is a board and a thread about this particular conflict hence why posters are discussing that. I'd have thought that was obvious...
Some of us think all killing of civilians is wrong hence not trying to justify Israel murdering civilians or deflecting the discussion to other conflicts.

Haha pathetic post didn't answer what I said at all just ignorant insults.

Well done for showing other posters that you hold racist and demonising views regarding an indigenous population 👍

I think there are Palestinians who don't support hamas, although children are brainwashed from an early age to hate the Jews. But it is unclear why some people seem to care more about Palestinians being killed than in other conflicts and indeed Christians being persecuted across the Muslim world (eg Nigeria).

Do you mind clarifying your point? I've reread your comment and I can't see what point is unless it's to once again bring an association between Hamas and innocent Palestinians when people are discussing the innocence of Palestinian civilians and to somehow praise Israel for "looking after their own". I was responding to a commenter who said there are no innocent civilians except the men who spoke publicly. I haven't seen a single poster imply that Hamas support or are good for the Palestinian civilians so I just can't understand what value it adds to post calling them "Hamas's people" at a time when they're being brutally attacked and the world is turning a blind eye and the attitude that they're somehow aligned with Hamas is perpetuating people looking away.

Also - I think it’s completely unreasonable for anyone living in a place of safety to judge the Palestinians for not resisting Hamas. If I was Palestinian I would be far too scared to openly protest against them. My priority would be trying to ensure my family’s survival.

I get this. I sometimes get scared about being anonymously gender-critical on Facebook as some accounts have had the police at their door, so I can't even imagine the fear of an organisation like Hamas.