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AIBU to think Private School isn’t worth the expense?

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Macaronsandcupcakes · 01/10/2024 17:20

In my area (Bristol) all the private schools I’ve spoken to have admitted they will eventually pass on the 20% VAT (I’m not objecting the govt policy). This means the cheapest school will be charging £7k+ per term. For one child from yr 7 to complete their GCSE’s it’ll be £110k.

I completely understand the schools get better grades, but other than grades why is it worth it? Has your child significantly benefited?

Articles I’ve recently read suggest that the anti private discussions are gaining momentum, both from universities & employees.

My partner is keen to send our children. But I need convincing.

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neverbeenskiing · 01/10/2024 21:05

mugboat · 01/10/2024 17:58

I went on several open days last year for state school and they all included student led tours.

We're looking at secondary schools atm. Every state school we've looked at has had student led tours, as well as students helping their teachers demonstrate science experiments, activities, showing the visiting kids and their parents the equipment in the media labs, art studios etc. They were all keen to chat and have their honest views, good and bad, of different aspects of the school.

twistyizzy · 01/10/2024 20:59

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:58

I work in a role that allows me to visit and see teaching and learning in theses schools, as well as what these school have offer more widely.

What, you work in every indy school in the UK to qualify you to make that statement?

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:58

NeverHadHaveHas · 01/10/2024 20:26

wtf are you basing that on?

I work in a role that allows me to visit and see teaching and learning in theses schools, as well as what these school have offer more widely.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 01/10/2024 20:47

Depends on so many things but now that VAT has been slapped on we've decided that our local junior school is good enough, but would like to send them private for secondary. We'd have gone in year 5 but we are now leaving it until year 7 to make up for the additional VAT expenses.

Crazyeight · 01/10/2024 20:45

Maria1979 · 01/10/2024 20:40

I would go private for secondary. Did this with DS and not regretting it. Teachers are the same but pupils are selected. No bad behaviour tolerated. My neighbour whose DS is in state told me her DS can't concentrate because there are so many children who are being disruptive. Saying swear words to teachers or making noises. How are you supposed to learn in that environment? Teachers are great but they can only do so much...

It depends on what you call bad behaviour. The local private school has a real bullying problem by all accounts. Kids are the same everywhere no matter how much you pay. If you're not getting bullied for having the right Nike pros then you're being bullied because your pony doesn't have the right brand of saddle.

mugboat · 01/10/2024 20:44

anxioussister · 01/10/2024 19:47

Having worked in both state and private for close to 20 years… - my experience is very much that you can.

people value what they pay for. Half the problem with the NHS and the education system is because people expect it to be free and so don’t respect it (I’m not advocating that people start being charged cost - but some sort of means tested contribution might not be the worst idea…)

Of course you will get some parents at private schools who just picked the closest one as a box ticking exercise and don’t care. My experience as both a parent and a teacher is that those who are planning to spend the best part of 250k on their child’s education a) do their research and b) have high expectations.

It really sucks that there are too many parents who, for whatever issues, don’t engage with their children’s schooling - but all my experience suggests very strongly that there are far fewer of those parents at private schools.

well, from my experience as a parent and a teacher, engaged parents come from all walks of life.
I don't pay for private healthcare or education and trust me, I value my health, the NHS and education. So do all of the other parents I know.

Maria1979 · 01/10/2024 20:40

I would go private for secondary. Did this with DS and not regretting it. Teachers are the same but pupils are selected. No bad behaviour tolerated. My neighbour whose DS is in state told me her DS can't concentrate because there are so many children who are being disruptive. Saying swear words to teachers or making noises. How are you supposed to learn in that environment? Teachers are great but they can only do so much...

VoteLabour · 01/10/2024 20:37

I know several people who were educated privately and who benefitted from it, and that's more than 5 schools.

5month · 01/10/2024 20:37

If you feel that all of the secondary schools in Bristol are horrendous you have answered your own question and need to send your children to a private school.

Heatherbell1978 · 01/10/2024 20:33

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:19

There are fewer than 5 private schools in the UK that are worth it. None are in Bristol.

Ooh I wonder if mine is on the list - don't leave us in suspense!!

twistyizzy · 01/10/2024 20:31

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:19

There are fewer than 5 private schools in the UK that are worth it. None are in Bristol.

That's the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard!
What criteria are you basing that on?

Heatherbell1978 · 01/10/2024 20:31

Windchimesandsong · 01/10/2024 20:07

My experience as both a parent and a teacher is that those who are planning to spend the best part of 250k on their child’s education a) do their research and b) have high expectations.

Loads of state school parents are the same though (do their research and have high expectations).

The only difference is they pay through housing, rather than school fees.

They spend many thousands on buying a home near the state school they want. And not necessarily in their current area. A fair few families specifically move to another area for the schools.

House prices near the "good" state schools are very often higher (sometimes a lot higher) than for homes near a less well regarded state school.

Edited

Indeed. We bought a house for £340k 10 years ago in a mediocre catchment. DS has just started private school for P6. DD will likely move for S1 (secondary). An equivalent house in a great school catchment would set us back minimum £700k. Our house is probably worth £500k max now. Theres not a lot in it. And we don't really want to move. A lot of people around us send their kids to private school rather than pay the premium to live in the great school catchments.

CabbagesAndCeilingWax · 01/10/2024 20:30

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:19

There are fewer than 5 private schools in the UK that are worth it. None are in Bristol.

OK, I'll bite - which are these magical four?!

NeverHadHaveHas · 01/10/2024 20:26

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:19

There are fewer than 5 private schools in the UK that are worth it. None are in Bristol.

wtf are you basing that on?

VoteLabour · 01/10/2024 20:24

There are far more than 5 that are worth it.

Zanatdy · 01/10/2024 20:23

I guess it depends how good local state schools are. My DD got 11 x G9’s from a state school this summer. So obviously glad i didnt pay 100k plus. DS also got mostly 9’s.

Whitesleeves · 01/10/2024 20:19

There are fewer than 5 private schools in the UK that are worth it. None are in Bristol.

MrsSchrute · 01/10/2024 20:12

fizzwhizz1 · 01/10/2024 19:05

@Macaronsandcupcakes the key word here is 'BRISTOL' all the state options at secondary level are horrendous! The only half decent options are going down to Backwell or up to Katherine Lady Berkeley. It would mean a long commute even if you managed to secure a place! Pay! Please pay if you can afford it. BGS seems great, as does Collegiate and all the Clifton schools.

That's really not true at all. Loads of good secondary schools in Bristol - SMRT, Cathedral, Free school, St Katherine's ...

MrsSchrute · 01/10/2024 20:10

fizzwhizz1 · 01/10/2024 19:35

@5month where on earth do you live in Bristol?! All the secondary schools in Bristol are HORRENDOUS!
@Parsley1234 Thank you! I think a lot of the posters are unfamiliar with the Bristol school situation! Very different for London or the SE

They really aren't.

Windchimesandsong · 01/10/2024 20:07

My experience as both a parent and a teacher is that those who are planning to spend the best part of 250k on their child’s education a) do their research and b) have high expectations.

Loads of state school parents are the same though (do their research and have high expectations).

The only difference is they pay through housing, rather than school fees.

They spend many thousands on buying a home near the state school they want. And not necessarily in their current area. A fair few families specifically move to another area for the schools.

House prices near the "good" state schools are very often higher (sometimes a lot higher) than for homes near a less well regarded state school.

Parsley1234 · 01/10/2024 20:04

@fizzwhizz1 sorry not being rude which s hook is the really good one in that area I think there’s just one

DobbyTheHouseElk · 01/10/2024 20:03

My DC went to a failing primary. It was ok, she worked hard. She also was very badly bullied. The school refused to act and watched it happen.

Our local secondary school is failing, the building is falling apart and all lessons take place in portakabins on the playing field. This means no PE. Bullying and fights are daily occurrences. All of my friends children go there and tell me so I’m not inventing this.

We decided to send the Dc to the local independent school as primary was a written off and we know they wouldn’t cope in the state system any longer.

IF our local state schools were excellent we would use them and save ourselves a fortune. But sadly they are not and I value the mental health of my child. Nothing to do with grades. They will do well wherever they go.

QueenCremant · 01/10/2024 20:02

Really depends where you are in Bristol and what your secondary options are. For us we went private as wasn’t on the state school so it gave us options.
Which are your local school/s?

LadyCakehole · 01/10/2024 20:01

I'm not interested in exam grades. My gentle, sensitive DS was mercilessly bullied at Primary and wouldn't have lasted five minutes in a state Secondary. We have moved heaven and earth to send him to an Independent school where there are smaller class sizes and a robust pastoral system. It completely depends on the child whether it's "worth" the money or not. If you've got a bright and confident neuro typical child with a secure friendship group then they'll probably do well in most environments.

fizzwhizz1 · 01/10/2024 19:59

@Parsley1234 No need to be rude. Redland Green is only ranked as 'Good' according to ofsted. I've heard about some drug issues as well lately.