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Grammar Police v Wedding Party *MNHQ tweaked title at OP's request*

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WillLiveLifeAgain · 01/10/2024 15:27

I'm usually OK with grammar but this one has me scratching my head. Probably lack of sleep (not over this).

Went to a wedding at the weekend. They had one of those neon signs with their surname but added an apostrophe. So it said

The Smith's (name changed)

Shouldn't it have said The Smiths? There were four of them including children. Not one belonging to something/someone.

I'm very happy to be proved wrong. I'm not a grammar nazi but would hope something like that would have been right?

I know this is AIBU so disclaimer obviously what matters is the happy marriage of two loving people not an apostrophe.

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Mnetcurious · 01/10/2024 18:48

Yanbu. I get so annoyed by erroneous apostrophes. Come on, how hard is it to understand that plural = no apostrophe needed. Possessive = use an apostrophe.

Especially astounding when something is in print (or a neon sign!)

TeaHagTeaBag · 01/10/2024 18:29

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 17:05

But shouldn't they just know without checking?

I understand spelling - there might be some tricky ones that aren't well known.

But apostrophes? They're really not hard. I don't understand why people have such block with them

And yes, they are explicitly taught in the National Curriculum

Well shouldn't whoever is commissioning the piece just know? And what if one day the printer isn't checking/doesn't notice. Are they then liable for an incorrect print job?

Edit because I obviously made a typo on such a thread and my initial fix made it worse 🙃

SafeToUse · 01/10/2024 18:03

Some years ago a friend was a receptionist in a tattoo shop. Customer was late for her appointment and was rude and unapologetic to both receptionist and tattoo artist. She wanted some script as a tattoo. Tattoo artist asked her to write down exactly what she wanted tattooed.

She wote it down. What she wanted was 'Don't let your dreams die'. She wrote 'Don't let you're dreams die'.

Receptionist asked her if she was sure this was exactly as she wanted it. Reply was yes, do you think I'm stupid? OK, she showed her to the artist's station. Artist asked if she was happy with what she'd written, she rolled her eyes and said that she was. Checked again before he started, still yes.

I often wonder how long it took for someone to point out the error.

Note - staff in this tattoo shop were lovely, and did occasionally have to tweak spelling for customers, but that customer was obnoxious so...

OhTediosity · 01/10/2024 17:53

LBFseBrom · 01/10/2024 17:39

I'm quite elderly now and used to often come across unbelievable grammatical errors, including misuse of apostrophes, as a child. Yes we were taught grammar, the quality of teaching varied from school to school, but some people are just not good at it. I still see it often, it is irritating but not a major irritation in the scheme of things.

In the case cited by the OP, someone else was involved in printing that and should have known better. Had I been the client I would have complained, preferred to have gone without.

Yes, this isn’t anything especially new. What has changed is the much higher visibility of poor literacy. I have extended family in their sixties and seventies who literally can’t punctuate a sentence. Until relatively recently the only writing I saw from them was birthday and Christmas cards. Now I see their text messages, emails, and social media comments and I have an insight that I wouldn’t have had twenty years ago.

DreamTheMoors · 01/10/2024 17:51

Pogggle · 01/10/2024 15:37

If it makes you feel any better, I saw a photo that my local tattooist uploaded the other day of one she'd just done that said 'know you're worth'. I actually couldn't believe that neither her or the person having it done thought to just double check that it was right 😬

“NO REGERTS”

pleasehelpwi3 · 01/10/2024 17:49

Boskit · 01/10/2024 15:37

I loathe the term 'grammar nazi'. There's nothing fascistic about being able to use one's native language with accuracy and discrimination. Once upon a time they used to teach it in schools - imagine!

Still do- I was doing subordinating conjunctions and expanded noun phrases with eight year olds today.
Not really sure what they gained from it though.

WillLiveLifeAgain · 01/10/2024 17:43

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No I’m not - are you?

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LBFseBrom · 01/10/2024 17:39

Boskit · 01/10/2024 15:37

I loathe the term 'grammar nazi'. There's nothing fascistic about being able to use one's native language with accuracy and discrimination. Once upon a time they used to teach it in schools - imagine!

I'm quite elderly now and used to often come across unbelievable grammatical errors, including misuse of apostrophes, as a child. Yes we were taught grammar, the quality of teaching varied from school to school, but some people are just not good at it. I still see it often, it is irritating but not a major irritation in the scheme of things.

In the case cited by the OP, someone else was involved in printing that and should have known better. Had I been the client I would have complained, preferred to have gone without.

romatheroamer · 01/10/2024 17:39

When did this weird apostrophe/plural error start? It never used to be a thing. The English language is v easy in that most words add an s to form the plural. Did someone get confused with the possessive eg someone's and think when a word ends with an s it needs an apostrophe and it just spread?

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 01/10/2024 17:35

Maurepas · 01/10/2024 17:27

Are people not taught this when 12 years or younger?

Yes, they are.

It's bloody depressing.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 01/10/2024 17:32

Brefugee · 01/10/2024 17:10

have not rtft: YABVVVU to use the word Nazi about anything other than the National Socialist Party.

It diminishes what they did. (am probably the 94th person to say that)

There’s a Mitchell and Webb episode, still I think on YouTube, entitled ‘The Grammar Nazi’.
Very funny, and in that case, the ‘Nazi’ tag does seem appropriate!

Holdyourpeace · 01/10/2024 17:31

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Fink · 01/10/2024 17:29

Someone who only speaks English tried to correct me on a similar thing in French (I am bilingual). Note that this person doesn't actually speak French, but was attending a wedding in France and somehow convinced themselves (but not me!) that English grammar rules should apply in French. So, in French, the rule is that you write 'les' (plural 'the') and keep the name in the singular: Les Smith. This person was incandescent that it wasn't Les Smiths.

Dollybantree · 01/10/2024 17:27

Pogggle · 01/10/2024 15:37

If it makes you feel any better, I saw a photo that my local tattooist uploaded the other day of one she'd just done that said 'know you're worth'. I actually couldn't believe that neither her or the person having it done thought to just double check that it was right 😬

Your not wrong for being really annoyed at that!

legalalien · 01/10/2024 17:27

I'm still recovering from the very recent revelation (after wondering and then googling while on holiday) that Australian place names (or at least the ones in NSW) don't contain possessive apostrophes - they legislated for it in the 1960s.

Can't believe I didn't notice when I lived in Australia for several years.

Apostrophes and place names - Apostrophes, Etc.

apparently there's something similar in the US
United States Board on Geographic Names - Wikipedia

Apostrophes and place names - Apostrophes, Etc.

In Australia, it is quite simple, if ungrammatical and plain stupid. A bureaucratic body ( the Geographical Names Board) decided back in 1966 that no Australian place names should contain possessive apostrophes. This means we are stuck with wrong-looki...

https://www.apostrophes.com.au/apostrophes-and-place-names/#:~:text=In%20Australia,%20it%20is%20quite%20simple,%20if

Maurepas · 01/10/2024 17:27

Are people not taught this when 12 years or younger?

HelloCheekyCat · 01/10/2024 17:13

Unfortunately all this poor grammar has become normalised to many people

It really is! You can probably also blame the Etsy seller, I see so many personalised Christmas decorations being advertised with incorrect apostrophes. Especially during covid when it has little pictures of all the things related to covid, we bought one and it had an incorrect apostrophe. Requested a correct replacement and gave the wrong one to MIL 😆

So basically both buyer and seller get it wrong and don't know the difference

Brefugee · 01/10/2024 17:10

have not rtft: YABVVVU to use the word Nazi about anything other than the National Socialist Party.

It diminishes what they did. (am probably the 94th person to say that)

nearly55 · 01/10/2024 17:10

KnottedTwine · 01/10/2024 15:45

I followed a builder's van the other week which had the brand name (similar to) Cambuslang Builders. The van was proudly stating that they did extension's, foundation's, patio's, ground work's and loft conversion's.

Again, you'd think the person who produced the vinyl stickers for the van might have checked, but obviously not.

I followed a van the other day that had 'Cheer up, your driving a great car' in decals on the back. It was a decal company van so you think they'd have checked it!

NewtyCutey · 01/10/2024 17:10

There wrong. Your right.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 01/10/2024 17:10

Often, it goes the other way, and a startling number of signwriters and printers will already have appalling grammar knowledge.

It might not be that they don't have time/can't be bothered/don't want the grief of correcting a customer's spelling or grammar; but in fact, they may be presented with something that is correct and then go out of their way to 'correct' it, according to their own wrong assumptions!

SunflowersAndSquash · 01/10/2024 17:07

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Would be a bit rude to only refer to one person's wedding, though. 😅

All I can say is: IDIOTS!

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 17:06

OhTediosity · 01/10/2024 17:03

Contrary to your OP, you knew perfectly well that the apostrophe was incorrect.

And?

Are you new to the Internet?

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 01/10/2024 17:05

honeybeetheoneandonly · 01/10/2024 16:24

They could still get an "it" tattooed at the end and pretend to be sponsored by L'Oréal.

Let's just hope it didn't go the other way, and they didn't have it tattooed just above/before their bumhole - which is not only already in the shape of a 'nothing', but from time to time........ Grin

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 17:05

TeaHagTeaBag · 01/10/2024 15:56

Ooft, don't blame the printer/maker for these aberrations. When getting anything made, and I do a fair bit for work, the responsibility for any and all typos lies exclusively with the client. They don't have time (or inclination) to check spelling or punctuation.

But shouldn't they just know without checking?

I understand spelling - there might be some tricky ones that aren't well known.

But apostrophes? They're really not hard. I don't understand why people have such block with them

And yes, they are explicitly taught in the National Curriculum