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To ask millionaire partner to agree to this term in ‘prenup’

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junohername · 01/10/2024 15:01

Plan is we will be cohabiting and planning this move in the next 12 months after my dd finishes secondary school.
I won’t uproot myself or my (older) DH without some kind of security I want no claim on any of his assets -I’m a broke single mum with a small home in my own name (which I plan to rent out) I’ve had years of making ends meet and that’s fine by me.
I will pay all expenses towards my dc food/car etc and dp will pay mortgage and bills -
in case the relationship should break down I want written into an agreement that I have 6 months to relocate - I may have to sell my house if we settle in the new place (Dd will be at college etc) and an assurance we will not be kicked out
He thinks this is too long and wants me to revise the terms
Long term he would like for me to work for his company - I want to remain independent and work outside of the business again to cover myself in case our relationship goes south
I love him- he’s a good man- 3 years in no red flags but my divorce was hideous and I think ironing out everything before is sensible moving forwards
I don’t want to worry my family by asking them (they’d be my go to usually)
any advice would be great received
We would be moving to a beautiful area for a fresh start (lots of trauma here) and it will be a beautiful big home so in that respect it will be better than where we are.
I do NOT want to ever marry again so I’m guessing rather than prenuptial this would be a pre cohabitation agreement drawn up legally

OP posts:
junohername · 01/10/2024 16:32

Runnerinthenight · 01/10/2024 15:54

Where would one find a millionaire? Asking for a friend lol!

Without looking 😀
I didn’t know for a year!

OP posts:
blueshoes · 01/10/2024 16:30

It's also odd he's having a mortgage, most millionaires don't. Coutts sometimes give cheap rates to HNWI and they borrow to fund businesses.

The millions could be tied up in his business, rather than free cash to buy property. Some people use leverage to take out a loan anyway if they have better uses for that money, like his business.

I don't know how many million we are talking about but 1-2 million is not a big deal. Doubt Coutts will work up much of a sweat there. There are many property millionaires due to the price of property going up in the last few decades.

junohername · 01/10/2024 16:29

I think very differently then and that’s fine

I ABSOLUTELY want an escape plan and want to have measures in place in case things don’t work out

I only wish I had planned better when my 16 year marriage hit the skids

I do NOT plan on marrying him or anyone else or being employed by his company

I wanted this drawn up legally or at least to be aware of other things that could be tricky hence my posting. I don’t plan on doing anything concrete without see an independent solicitor myself

My DP is a property developer that’s how I met him (through work) and he’s worked on 3 projects since we’ve been together (the last one he had wanted to ear mark for us to live in but it wasn’t the right time)

OP posts:
blueshoes · 01/10/2024 16:24

OP said she is not going to work for his company already. Sensible.

Bananamanlovesyou · 01/10/2024 16:23

it feels like such a huge power imbalance in the relationship and he is nitpicking already. Not sure I could live with it. Could you sell your house and jointly invest in the new house so ring fence your deposit and agree on the percentage of any appreciation in value you get if you leave. If he is well off the. He shouldn’t have an issue buying you out. That just feels more like a joint thing rather then yeah move in but if I’m done with you you can sling your hook!

Lastgig · 01/10/2024 16:23

You can protect any deposit you put into a house, ditto percentage of ownership. You could own 10%, this stops you creating a home, someone else benefitting and you having to fight for the roof over your head.
I personally wouldn't like to live in someone else's house. Rent free or no! I would feel like I was on borrowed time. It's also odd he's having a mortgage, most millionaires don't. Coutts sometimes give cheap rates to HNWI and they borrow to fund businesses.

I wouldn't sell your own home under any circumstances if you are not re marrying.
Personally I don't like rich people with controlling behaviour. He doesn't own you and I would want my name on those deeds (not a will because that can be changed without your knowledge).
Fwiw I'm a millionaire, my will leaves everything to my DH and DC. However I'm married. You and your DC are lodgers in these circumstances you are proposing. Not good for security.

blueshoes · 01/10/2024 16:23

It is confusing because OP, you are asking him to sign a cohabitation agreement. A cohabitation agreement implies you have some asset to protect. But cohabitation gives neither party rights to each other's assets unlike marriage. Many people still don't realise that.

That is why it makes no sense why you want him to sign a cohabitation agreement. You seem to be getting all the benefit (yes, you will move but so will he since your last post said he has to relocate).

If I were him, I would say great! Lawyer, please include a clause in the cohabitation to confirm that she has no rights to my assets and I have no rights to hers. Set that all down in black and white. I think this cohabitation agreement will come back to bite you in the arse.

SweetSakura · 01/10/2024 16:22

BobbyBiscuits · 01/10/2024 16:21

I'd also say six months living in his home when you've split could be awful for both of you.
I do think you're right to try and put something in place though.

The fact he wants you to work for his company? That rings a bad bell. Unless you genuinely expressed interest in doing so and it's a field of expertise suitable for your usual career.

Even then, why not just recruit a stranger with the correct qualifications? If you have your own things going on he shouldn't feel the need to take that over.
You should stick to your guns on working for either yourself of someone other than your partner.

I hope you don't compromise on any of the things you want and need and focus on your own wellbeing.

I agree, wanting her to work for him rings alarm bells. As does expecting her to move when she still has dependents. The power dynamic is already clear here.

SweetSakura · 01/10/2024 16:21

FussyFusspott · 01/10/2024 16:13

If he's a millionaire and you're a broke single mum it's a huge red flag he won't contribute towards any of your living expenses. Are you a couple or housemates with benefits?

She's got a property she can rent out, she's not "broke"

C152 · 01/10/2024 16:21

Chocolatebuttonsandprosseco · 01/10/2024 16:02

That’s what I thought. She’s going to be so much better off, no bills, no mortgage,living rent free, getting the rent from her place, all she need to do is pay for herself and her kid, and she’s now wanting her to give cash or pay for her after.

id run if I was him, I get being skint can make you a bit grabby when you see the opportunity to make money but I’m not sure this is ok.

I don't think she's being grabby. She's in a significantly worse financial position than her partner and doesn't want to be in a situation where they break up and she and her DC are tossed into the street the next day. She's willing to sign a pre-nup saying she does not want any of his assets, she just wants time to find a new place to live, in the event they break up.

Also, just because she owns her own property and rent it out, doesn't mean all the rent money is available. I imagine most of it goes to pay her own mortgage.

OP, I don't think you should work for your partner's company. I agree that it's better to maintain a bit of independence and, if it's a small family-type company, you don't want business disagreements to end up enroaching on your home life.

BobbyBiscuits · 01/10/2024 16:21

I'd also say six months living in his home when you've split could be awful for both of you.
I do think you're right to try and put something in place though.

The fact he wants you to work for his company? That rings a bad bell. Unless you genuinely expressed interest in doing so and it's a field of expertise suitable for your usual career.

Even then, why not just recruit a stranger with the correct qualifications? If you have your own things going on he shouldn't feel the need to take that over.
You should stick to your guns on working for either yourself of someone other than your partner.

I hope you don't compromise on any of the things you want and need and focus on your own wellbeing.

AutumnTimeForCosy24 · 01/10/2024 16:20

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 01/10/2024 15:16

If it’s his house in his name, that’s just the reality I’m afraid. Think about it the other way round - would you want him to stay for 6 months after you’ve asked him to leave.

If he is much wealthier than you, and you are the one uprooting, I’d ask him if he would consider gifting you say 10k to keep in the event of relationship breaking down, or agree that you don’t pay any contribution to household expenses until you’ve been able to save it yourself.

@DownThePubWithStevieNicks

shes already said she's not contributing to mtge ur bills, just paying her DC expenses at Uni or whatever.

@junohername

Given you'll not be paying any living expenses, why can't you save that to support yourself if you break up?

I think him agreeing to 3 months is more than fair, but considering he is loaded, he might prefer to agree to rent something fir you for 6 months IF he chooses to break it off (or causes you to - like an affair)

be careful to look properly into renting yours out.

Goldensunnydays81 · 01/10/2024 16:20

FussyFusspott · 01/10/2024 16:13

If he's a millionaire and you're a broke single mum it's a huge red flag he won't contribute towards any of your living expenses. Are you a couple or housemates with benefits?

He is paying for the mortgage and all bills and she has to pay for her own dc food and expenses- wouldn’t say that he isn’t contributing

CupOfSoup · 01/10/2024 16:19

People do draw up cohabitation agreements

The lawyer recommended I do one with dp but it never happened.

Personally I wouldn't have agreed to pay anything to dp if we split up. I have amended my will though as all my assets go to the kids which could immediately make dp homeless as they would own the house. So I put in provision for a small lumpsum that would help him rent somewhere before he could move back into his house (he also owns a house his ex lives in).

I'm not sure money on split up will work in practice - especially if you've pissed each other off!

mewkins · 01/10/2024 16:16

Winederlust · 01/10/2024 15:23

Are you sure that any agreement of this nature, if you're not married, would be enforceable?

I'd consult a lawyer.

I don't understand what this is either. You're not getting married and even if you were it wouldn't stand legally. I think if you could draw up terms and conditions of a relationship then everyone would do it but who are you going to turn to to enforce it? I think you need to have a back up fund just in case.

SweetSakura · 01/10/2024 16:16

I'd say don't put yourself in this position while you have dependents. Once they are grown up it's a different level of risk and disruption.

Loopytiles · 01/10/2024 16:16

unless DC were mid to older teens I’d not move their schools and housing to somewhere I couldn’t afford to stay if the relationship broke down, especially without marriage. Too much risk for you and the DC.

also no way I’d work for my much rwealthier partner’s company.

GabriellaMontez · 01/10/2024 16:15

neilyoungismyhero · 01/10/2024 16:14

She's not!

I'm joking! I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough!! I'm just stunned by how many people said this.

neilyoungismyhero · 01/10/2024 16:14

GabriellaMontez · 01/10/2024 15:56

Also, have you planned what would happen if he died suddenly?

Could you remain in the house, access money to pay bills etc etc

Ps. Don't marry him!!!

She's not!

Isthismykarma · 01/10/2024 16:13

I’m on his side, it sounds fair enough as is.
You’re up money wise living with him as you’ll have the rental income which you can set aside for a rainy day should it come. If you were kicked to the curb the rental income would pay for rent for somewhere for you wouldn’t it?

FussyFusspott · 01/10/2024 16:13

If he's a millionaire and you're a broke single mum it's a huge red flag he won't contribute towards any of your living expenses. Are you a couple or housemates with benefits?

KRealLife · 01/10/2024 16:12

Well done for thinking about this before moving in together. It's so sensible for you and him.

I think you should be able to save if you are getting money from renting your place out.

blueshoes · 01/10/2024 16:11

Apotofgold · 01/10/2024 16:09

What baggage does he have?

ETA: Just reread the OP - she has had a horrible divorce, trauma, and will be moving into the new place with a child. Still not seeing what baggage he has though 🤔

Edited

Lots. A million bucks worth [being facetious]

Sia8899 · 01/10/2024 16:10

Chocolatebuttonsandprosseco · 01/10/2024 16:03

What? Why can’t you save that money and pay for yourself??

I did think that as soon as I posted tbh! I’ve changed my mind and don’t think OP is entitled to anything just because the partner is rich (unless it was all his idea and he’s offering options)

Apotofgold · 01/10/2024 16:09

Viviennemary · 01/10/2024 16:05

I wouldnt bother. Just find somebody with less baggage.

What baggage does he have?

ETA: Just reread the OP - she has had a horrible divorce, trauma, and will be moving into the new place with a child. Still not seeing what baggage he has though 🤔