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Northern Ireland - how do you perceive it?

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TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 21:01

Genuinely just curious. I was born and raised in NI, opinions on MN seem to vary wildly from no go zone to friendly and welcoming. Trying to got a sense of what the most common thoughts are.

Have you visited? Maybe even thought about doing so? What was your opinion?

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Mnetcurious · 30/09/2024 23:29

Never been (I’m English), no particular desire to go as there’s nothing that attracts me to visit over other destinations - UK or abroad.
Don’t know if all the stuff on the news in the 80s and 90s when I was a child/teenager has put me off subconsciously.

User12356 · 30/09/2024 23:28

Janedoe82 · 30/09/2024 23:27

In the same way your daughter will be too due to the various cultural indicators she will have. For example I assume played hockey/ didn’t go to a Catholic primary school/ holiday locations/ ability to speak any Irish.

Oh, curious how holiday locations differ?

WandaFishy99 · 30/09/2024 23:27

Visited two years ago- we stayed near Castlerock and visited, amongst other places, Londonderry/Derry, Belfast, Coleraine.
We only remember friendliness. We particularly liked Londonderry (the journey on the train from Castlerock is beautiful). We saw that there was an open day at an old Protestant church and we went in out of curiosity. A church member showed us round, he was so interesting and talked about the worst times of the troubles, when he lost friends, without bitterness.
Obviously we were just tourists and in no way experts or knowledgeable, but we took home with us the impression of a welcoming country, coming to terms with its difficult past.
I did wonder beforehand if an English accent would cause tension but we didn't notice any.
I'd be interested to hear if others have had the same experience.

Janedoe82 · 30/09/2024 23:27

In the same way your daughter will be too due to the various cultural indicators she will have. For example I assume played hockey/ didn’t go to a Catholic primary school/ holiday locations/ ability to speak any Irish.

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 30/09/2024 23:26

I've been and loved it, however I'm not from the UK or ROI so don't have any "baggage" so to speak.

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:26

It is a country in its own right

Are you saying NI is a country in its own right??

If so, that's the only correct thing in your post.

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:25

Psychoticbreak · 30/09/2024 23:19

We have 4 provinces in Ireland. Northern Ireland is not a province it is a country. If you are talking provinces you would be talking Munster, leinster, connaght and ulster. None of which say northern ireland. NI is 6 counties taken from us and colonised by the British. It is a country in its own right. It is not and has never been a province of Ireland.

Mate, your history knowledge is as sketchy as anyone's I've ever encountered.

And I was not saying it's a province of Ireland!!!!

Wtf?

Janedoe82 · 30/09/2024 23:24

TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 23:21

No, I’ve worked really hard to educate myself and get away from what was ingrained in me for so long. DD (a big politics nerd and very interested in Irish history) has been a big driver in this - since she has grown up truly neutral she has been able to point out a lot of my flaws and built in prejudices

Again you are being naïve. I am a prod who is open minded and I will never be truly accepted in the republican area in which I work. Whether you like it or not the impact of the trauma here means that people will still categorise you as Protestant.

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:22

a lot of English people I've worked with didn't know ROI and NI were different countries

Yep, same here.

I used to go home and rant to my h "look at your fucking passport cover, you idiots!!!".

Being patronised by my neighbour about GCSEs which "we do here". Yes, dear we do them too, and whip your asses in the results tables every year.

Also enjoyable being asked my name and told "that's not a very Irish name!".

No worries, I'll go and tell my Ulster Scot origin, protestant parents (who don't exist in the brains of a lot of English (and American and Spanish, I could go on) people .... To rename me an "Irish" name, from a language they don't speak, and from a culture that's not theirs.

TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 23:21

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 23:18

Do you not think that's a bit naive? DH is atheist (as am I), our DC are in the local Protestant school and our friends are from both communities but he's still very much Catholic. It's not just in terms of his identity (he'd never think to describe himself as British no matter how much I tease him), it's his views on the Troubles, his cultural touch points (music, literature, sport), his schooling.

I don't think anyone can have grown up in NI and not be influenced by their community. That doesn't have to be a bad thing though.

I'm not sure my DC will feel the same, I think there's hope that many young people will truly grow up without strongly identifying with either community but I do think it's a bit naive for those who remember the Troubles and the peace process.

No, I’ve worked really hard to educate myself and get away from what was ingrained in me for so long. DD (a big politics nerd and very interested in Irish history) has been a big driver in this - since she has grown up truly neutral she has been able to point out a lot of my flaws and built in prejudices

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Crinkle77 · 30/09/2024 23:20

I visited Belfast, Derry and South Armagh around 1998 as part of a university field trip and loved it. Totally blew away all my preconceptions. It was so beautiful and thd people so friendly. I'm going to be honest I didn't really like the Belfast but loved Derry and South Armagh.

Psychoticbreak · 30/09/2024 23:19

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:13

Apparently Northern Ireland is considered both a country and a province.

In any case, the front of a British passport would appear to corroborate NI being seen as a country, because you'd think there would be no need for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" if NI was just considered a province.
Whereas Wales and Scotland are considered part of Great Britain.

We have 4 provinces in Ireland. Northern Ireland is not a province it is a country. If you are talking provinces you would be talking Munster, leinster, connaght and ulster. None of which say northern ireland. NI is 6 counties taken from us and colonised by the British. It is a country in its own right. It is not and has never been a province of Ireland.

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 23:18

TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 23:11

I was raised Protestant/Church of Ireland but nowadays don’t identify with any religion or side with either community.

Do you not think that's a bit naive? DH is atheist (as am I), our DC are in the local Protestant school and our friends are from both communities but he's still very much Catholic. It's not just in terms of his identity (he'd never think to describe himself as British no matter how much I tease him), it's his views on the Troubles, his cultural touch points (music, literature, sport), his schooling.

I don't think anyone can have grown up in NI and not be influenced by their community. That doesn't have to be a bad thing though.

I'm not sure my DC will feel the same, I think there's hope that many young people will truly grow up without strongly identifying with either community but I do think it's a bit naive for those who remember the Troubles and the peace process.

Gcsunnyside23 · 30/09/2024 23:18

Anonym00se · 30/09/2024 22:59

Anotger NI friend warned me not to use my Irish language name when visiting a particular town in NI...this was less than 10 years ago. She was half joking (I think) but only half...

We once hired a car in Dublin and drove up to see friends in County Down. We were going out for a meal in Dundrum, and our hosts were really worried about us going there in a car with Irish plates, and one of them checked underneath it before we got back into it! This was also within the last 10 years.

That was very dramatic on their part, you could drive up the Shankill with southern reg and noone would bat an eyelid

Meadowfinch · 30/09/2024 23:15

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:13

Apparently Northern Ireland is considered both a country and a province.

In any case, the front of a British passport would appear to corroborate NI being seen as a country, because you'd think there would be no need for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" if NI was just considered a province.
Whereas Wales and Scotland are considered part of Great Britain.

That's because 'Great Britain refers to the island, the physical land mass that is made up of England, Wales & Scotland

HazelPlayer · 30/09/2024 23:13

Apparently Northern Ireland is considered both a country and a province.

In any case, the front of a British passport would appear to corroborate NI being seen as a country, because you'd think there would be no need for "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" if NI was just considered a province.
Whereas Wales and Scotland are considered part of Great Britain.

Mcginty57 · 30/09/2024 23:11

I just see it as similar to Scotland (Im Scottish) in terms of the friendliness of people and actual landscape, with a different accent. Feel totally comfortable and gutted I'm not able to go this weekend with family to Belfast for the annual trip.

TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 23:11

OptimisticMermaid · 30/09/2024 23:08

Which community are you from?

I was raised Protestant/Church of Ireland but nowadays don’t identify with any religion or side with either community.

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Snippit · 30/09/2024 23:10

My sister in law has moved there and loves it, would never come back to live in England. She does complain about the amount of rain though 🤪

Psychoticbreak · 30/09/2024 23:10

@NoBinturongsHereMate aside from recently when the irish and english flags (flegs possibly) were united against the foreign ones the same weekend as the fleadh ceoil was on ironically with concerts in aide of palestine. Fun times.

Meadowfinch · 30/09/2024 23:10

Having been there several times in the 80s, I've never been in any rush to go back and I've not had a specific reason to go again.

There are so many other (less divided) places to visit.

olivepoems · 30/09/2024 23:09

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 23:07

@OkPedro is Irish, I think she means that NI and England aren't different countries, both being the UK.

Well then they didn't read my post properly, as I said that a lot of English people I've worked with didn't know ROI and NI were different countries. Not that NI wasn't part of the UK. Though I've met people in England who don't seem to know that either 🤣🤣

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 23:08

NoBinturongsHereMate · 30/09/2024 23:07

I think even if you're reasonably familiar with the history and expecting segregation, the sheer quantity of flags in some areas could be surprising. Especially if you visit in the run up to the 12th, when they've all been refreshed.

And the variety of them, too - I suspect some visitors expect it will just be Union Jack vs Tricolour.

Yes I'm here nearly 20 years and I'm still learning new flags. Grin

OptimisticMermaid · 30/09/2024 23:08

TheBelleOfBelfastCity · 30/09/2024 21:01

Genuinely just curious. I was born and raised in NI, opinions on MN seem to vary wildly from no go zone to friendly and welcoming. Trying to got a sense of what the most common thoughts are.

Have you visited? Maybe even thought about doing so? What was your opinion?

Which community are you from?

Psychoticbreak · 30/09/2024 23:08

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 23:07

@OkPedro is Irish, I think she means that NI and England aren't different countries, both being the UK.

But they are different countries like scotland and wales are.