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To not want to teach

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idontwanttoteach · 30/09/2024 18:59

This is probably going to be a frustrating thread because there’s literally no way around it, I sort of have to teach because it’s the only thing I’ve done and the only thing I can earn the amount I do and plus the holidays (have young children) and so on.

But. I. Do. Not. Want. To. Teach.

I know about the FB group by the way but there’s no real feasible alternative for me at the moment.

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AlertCat · 02/10/2024 22:27

Cornishmumofone · 01/10/2024 14:03

I quit teaching. I earn more than UPS3 as a learning designer in HE. I work 35 hours a week (flexibly) and have 44 days leave a year. Plenty of my colleagues work p/t. I also WFH 4days a week. There are options out there.

What’s a learning designer?

Cornishmumofone · 02/10/2024 20:35

@Milkandacookie I've sent you a message ☺️

Goldenbear · 02/10/2024 20:31

BadSkiingMum · 02/10/2024 19:59

I agree with @ANightingaleSang. It definitely isn’t impossible to change and I shared my own experience upthread.

Some further study might be necessary for some of these roles, but teachers tend to be good at that on the whole!

It's not that people are suggesting it is impossible but the likelihood of this is going to be determined by local rates for graduates and and what you have a degree in.

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 20:10

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 19:27

£29 isn't loads for a graduate who has been working for 20years. See so many threads on here! The role only wants a c in English gcse and relevant experience.

For reference minimum wage is about £23. A nurse starting salary at 21 years old is £29 and will go up, a social worker starting at 21, years old starts in £35k.
And yes I've dropped down from £44 (any teacher with 5+ years experience)

Out of interest @Nannyoggapple what do you think a graduate professional with considerable experience should be being paid?

Edited

Most of us are graduate professionals with considerable experience though?

A lot of people in the UK go to University. So I would say being a graduate is pretty standard.

I'm a graduate with considerable experience, and I've never earned as high as 44,000.

That's a great salary.

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 20:02

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:51

Perhaps differences in different locations. My nearest city is Manchester and I have never seen adverts for even entry level roles requiring nothing beyond a general 2:1 degree.
What is your degree in? Just curious really!

I'm London-based now, but have lived in various UK cities. I don't have a degree but am currently studying Networking and Cybersecurity. (I'm ex-military, hence so many career changes - I was medically discharged so spent a while trying out different options). The university careers office bombards me with job adverts for graduates. Even if a job says it requires a degree, there is no harm in applying if you have relevant experience or transferable skills. You are right that there are more opportunities in London, but I would be extremely surprised if there weren't such jobs in Manchester.

BadSkiingMum · 02/10/2024 19:59

I agree with @ANightingaleSang. It definitely isn’t impossible to change and I shared my own experience upthread.

Some further study might be necessary for some of these roles, but teachers tend to be good at that on the whole!

WonderingWanda · 02/10/2024 19:57

Being a part time teacher is rubbish. I did it for 14 years. What I can say is it gets loads easier when your kids reach school age because you get time during their school day and actually family life becomes much easier. I am now back full time though because I ended up working so much on my days off to keep up with workload.

At secondary as a pt teacher you often end up with lots of split classes, the emails don't stop on your days off, as ups you are expected to jump through hoops that ft colleagues often achieve through their tlr roles. If you do a tlr role you get pro rata or the full role but no time to do it.

The benefits are you get school holidays with your own kids and honestly looking back I now that my kids are teens I wouldn't swap this for anything else. I've had so much magical time with them that I wouldn't have had if I worked outside of teaching.

Surestat · 02/10/2024 19:54

idontwanttoteach · 30/09/2024 19:04

A good old whinge.

Ha ha. Brilliant!

My sister is a teacher and felt the same. Unfortunately these jobs that are being mentioned are not plentiful. She applied for four with the civil service and didn’t get an interview. 2 of the jobs were pulled before that stage. She had changed year group now and gone part time and it seems to have lifted the stress. Not everyone can do that though!

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:51

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:48

I joined a London-based company as a Network Technician just before COVID hit with zero relevant qualifications and no degree. I was on help desk for the first 6 months while studying for my CCNA. Was promoted twice over the next year. I worked mostly from home as a Network Engineer, on decent money. Also a qualified Level 3 Personal Trainer, Pharmacy Technician and Level 5 TEFL private tutor. I am published (by Routledge) and have done some content writing (not my thing). Explored BA and Virtual Assistant as career options but ultimately didn't go down that route - would recommend the BCS pathway for BA. I made education-related suggestions as OP is a teacher (obviously) and others are fair game if you have a degree (look for graduate positions with no specific requirements beyond a 2:1 in any discipline, employers provide relevant training).

Sometimes it does well to keep an open mind.

Perhaps differences in different locations. My nearest city is Manchester and I have never seen adverts for even entry level roles requiring nothing beyond a general 2:1 degree.
What is your degree in? Just curious really!

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:48

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:32

Which if those jobs have you personal experience of? I am honestly not convinced you could work in HR, project management or IT without relevant qualifications and experience.

I joined a London-based company as a Network Technician just before COVID hit with zero relevant qualifications and no degree. I was on help desk for the first 6 months while studying for my CCNA. Was promoted twice over the next year. I worked mostly from home as a Network Engineer, on decent money. Also a qualified Level 3 Personal Trainer, Pharmacy Technician and Level 5 TEFL private tutor. I am published (by Routledge) and have done some content writing (not my thing). Explored BA and Virtual Assistant as career options but ultimately didn't go down that route - would recommend the BCS pathway for BA. I made education-related suggestions as OP is a teacher (obviously) and others are fair game if you have a degree (look for graduate positions with no specific requirements beyond a 2:1 in any discipline, employers provide relevant training).

Sometimes it does well to keep an open mind.

Mermaidinmymind · 02/10/2024 19:45

idontwanttoteach · 01/10/2024 12:21

It would be worth thinking about it it was possible but I really can’t afford to take a pay cut at the moment.

The children I teach aren’t badly taught and they aren’t badly treated. It is not a pre requisite of any job that passion is needed. Enthusiasm can be masked.

Totally get it. I'm 3 days in FE. It's shit, but maybe less than where you are. You could look for roles in colleges?

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:34

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 19:20

Wow you must be making loads.

29k is a very good wage.

She's a teacher on upper pay scale 3...about 47k

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:32

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:29

No, you really don't. I suggested these roles for precisely that reason, at the very least you need very basic qualifications which take a few months to complete (you pay to take the exam and can study for it from a textbook in your own time). Recruiters may ask for a degree in any discipline so the OP ticks that box and furthermore would have many desirable and transferable skills. I made a transition into some of these roles at various points in my life, so am speaking from experience. Take it or leave it.

Which if those jobs have you personal experience of? I am honestly not convinced you could work in HR, project management or IT without relevant qualifications and experience.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 19:31

Thankyou @ANightingaleSang I will have a proper look as t that list at the weekend and do some googling :)

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:29

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:15

Sorry but I think that's incredibly naive...you have to actually have relevant qualifications and experience to gains role in one of these areas...

No, you really don't. I suggested these roles for precisely that reason, at the very least you need very basic qualifications which take a few months to complete (you pay to take the exam and can study for it from a textbook in your own time). Recruiters may ask for a degree in any discipline so the OP ticks that box and furthermore would have many desirable and transferable skills. I made a transition into some of these roles at various points in my life, so am speaking from experience. Take it or leave it.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 19:27

£29 isn't loads for a graduate who has been working for 20years. See so many threads on here! The role only wants a c in English gcse and relevant experience.

For reference minimum wage is about £23. A nurse starting salary at 21 years old is £29 and will go up, a social worker starting at 21, years old starts in £35k.
And yes I've dropped down from £44 (any teacher with 5+ years experience)

Out of interest @Nannyoggapple what do you think a graduate professional with considerable experience should be being paid?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/10/2024 19:26

goodluckbinbin · 30/09/2024 19:05

Get an exit strategy. No child deserves to taught by someone who doesn't want to be there. Loads of alternative in the private sector for teachers though the benefits and pensions etc aren't any where near as good, generally.

Sorry but that's completely unrealistic. 40,000 teachers left the profession last year. There will be many, many more who feel like the OP. Firstly, children need a teacher in front of them, full stop. Secondly, it's perfectly possible to still be good at something when you actually don't want to be doing it.

I sympathise, OP. I'm in my early 50s and have been a teacher for 30 years. I was so ready to chuck the towel in (and even potentially earn peanuts), but then I found a great school. I enjoy teaching again!

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 19:20

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:19

I've just looked at am early help role at 29k but out of the frying pan and a huge pay drop....

Wow you must be making loads.

29k is a very good wage.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:15

ANightingaleSang · 30/09/2024 20:03

@Mynameistallullah
Business Analyst
Virtual Assistant
Personal Training
Content Writing
HR roles
Education Liaison
Corporate Learning and Development
Publishing
Project Management
IT jobs eg. Networking & switching
Career Advisor (at a college for example)
Pharmacy

There are so many options

Sorry but I think that's incredibly naive...you have to actually have relevant qualifications and experience to gains role in one of these areas...

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:26

Ah yes. The thing is as you might see teachers tend to love teaching. It's all the other stuff that's the nightmare (see previous amazing reposted post)

Children definitely deserve a better deal than they get now. This is why teachers have tried over and over again to beg for reform and even on threads on mumsnet. They're not listened to.
Now teachers are leaving. In droves.

OhDearMuriel · 02/10/2024 18:24

Please leave teaching.

Children deserve a lot more than someone who hates it and only stays for the money and long holidays.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:19

I've just looked at am early help role at 29k but out of the frying pan and a huge pay drop....

Elizabeth110100 · 02/10/2024 16:05

Quite.

Of all the people who I am still in contact with from my teaching degree, only 3 are still teaching. And one of them is leaving at Easter.
Retaining teachers is incredibly difficult because the working conditions are so very difficult. The job is becoming more and more challenging and complex every year.

I am now about to sit in a staff meeting that will last an hour and tonight I will be working until I go to bed. Very family-friendly.

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 13:20

but I think it needs to be read again by everyone who thinks teachers should stop the whining and get on with the job.

I forgot to even mention that-it can be the icing on the cake.

People (often the media/MPs, nearly always non-teachers) telling you that not only do teachers have it really easy…excellent ‘family-friendly’ job/9-3 working days/endless paid holidays/gold-plated pension (if you can manage to slog your guts out full time until 67 without being put in capability and managed out) but when you make any sort of comment about it being hard/nothing like when you started, come in with the

-and there we go, all teachers do is moan!

-it’s you whinging that’s the problem! You are putting people off and if you stopped with that, there wouldn’t be a recruitment problem!

Elizabeth110100 · 02/10/2024 13:04

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 11:49

I agree. It gets to the point where you are wishing away the classroom bit (the nice bit, with the children) in order to get to 3.30 so you can even begin to make a START on all the hoop jumping, because that’s the bit that SLT are baying for your blood over!

There is way way too much paperwork and pointless expectation now to be able to even manage, let alone be good at.

Another huge issue is the expectation that ‘inclusion’ is possible for all pupils, regardless of their level of need, and if you can’t cope-well, you just aren’t providing High Quality Teaching.

It starts off ok-if you have 29 keen, well-behaved pupils, you can manage one pupil say, with ASD who takes up 10% of your time. You can still probably manage if your TAs are all made redundant because of the budget-it’s much harder and the expectations that you still get every child to meet their targets obviously doesn’t change. You can probably still manage when you have 25 children with no additional needs and 5 with SEN-it’s a lot more differentiation (sorry, adaptation!) needed and you still have no TA, but it’s hard-really hard, when nothing else can ‘give’-you still have learning walks, observations to pass, deep dives and Ofsted to prepare for, book scrutinies and IEPs to write and do. But there comes a tipping point-the old boiling frog analogy-where you can’t do it all. A child starts your class in nappies-you still have no TA and have to manage that yourself. They need you to give Movicol twice a day…ok. They are non-verbal and dysregulated a lot of the time-the SENCo is gathering evidence for a needs assessment but they are taking months and you know at the end, they won’t get full time funding. You then get another consultation for a new student for your class-they are PEG fed and need a hoist to get in and out of any equipment and their EHC plan says they have 16 hours a week of support. What will happen the other 16 hours of the week when it’s just you in there?! What will you do with your 5 SEN, your pupil in nappies who runs away when unsupported, oh-and your other 25 pupils who frankly are getting fed up of never having any of your attention!?

You might just about be able to hold together what is happening in your classroom. They might not be getting the best experience in the world, but you’re keeping those plates spinning (yes, you are now on anti-depressants and your husband has left you) but the whole school expectations don’t stop…

Monday morning briefing…’Oh, remember, there’s a staff meeting you need to take after school, and are you sorted for the school trip on Wednesday-have you done the risk assessment and got enough helpers? Plus obviously Thursday’s parents meeting, can you get your books ready for a book scrutiny for SLT for Friday first things, and also take Friday’s assembly-can your class just do a song? Data is due on Friday after school, don’t forget! Next week is observations-we aren’t sure which day yet, so be prepared! That will feed into your PMR-we’ll take in your subject folder as well-you are maths, history, phonics and PSHE again this year, yes? Have a fab week!’

I have quoted this post (sorry, I know it annoys people) but I think it needs to be read again by everyone who thinks teachers should stop the whining and get on with the job.
I have been a teacher for 15 years. I love the job but it's a lot more than being in the classroom. The pressure is immense. And it seems to have got a lot harder in the last few years.