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WIBU to speak with my daughter's friend?

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inmyera · 30/09/2024 16:38

My daughter has just started year 5, she has been friends with one of the girls in class since nursery. This girl has always had a bit of a superiority complex which I have never mentioned to my daughter (or anyone else), I've just noticed it.

Over the summer my daughter said 'I'll not be going to the same secondary school as xx because I'm not on her level'. Now these are words that aren't my daughter's, somebody else has said this to her (and I'm fairly sure I know who).

This year, my daughter is sat on the same table as xx and multiple times, including today, she has taken my daughter's ideas from a group discussion and shared them as her own to the teacher/class/facilitator and happily taken all credit. She also went up to the teacher today to tell them that my daughter had made a spelling mistake and then laughed.

I've suggested to my daughter that she spend some time with the other children in her class who are kind but she has said that if she steps away from this girl then she will cry, go to the teacher to tell on her and that everyone loves this girl and thinks that she can't do wrong.

I've said that I'll speak with this girl (I'm giving her a lift this evening) but my daughter has begged me not to.

So...WIBU to say something to her? I was thinking "So xx, how was your day today? yy was a bit upset when you took her idea again and shared it with the class."

I want to put an end to this but also don't want my daughter to not be able to trust me and stop sharing what's going on with me.

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RedHelenB · 05/10/2024 07:42

birdling · 30/09/2024 17:34

As a teacher, if a child came up to me to report on another child's spelling mistake I would not look kindly on that child. So I suspect that the teacher might already have an inkling that the girl is not all sunshine and flowers.

This. Also, you're only getting your dds version of events. I remember my brother lying and saying he scored a goal at football when he hadn't for eg. Maybe your dd is a little jealous too? Definitely tine for her to broaden her friendship circle though sp she realises everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

CosyLemur · 05/10/2024 07:41

Ywbvvvu don't do this! Let the teacher sort it!
Plus you're only hearing one side of the story, imagine if xx then turned around and said I'm sorry yy was upset today but yesterday she did abc to me and that really upset me.
You'd then have to chastise your DD too. Regardless of whether or not you thought it was true because you've got exactly the same amount of evidence - the word of a child!
Teachers are there in the moment and can watch out for these things.

PixiePirate · 05/10/2024 06:59

It awful to hear that your child is having a hard time at school. I feel for you OP.

Agree with pp that saying anything to the child probably isn’t the right way to deal with it (however tempting!). I’d stop giving the child lifts for a start and I wouldn’t bother making up a reason to tell her mum, I’d just say I’m unable to give her a lift now. Who cares if she’s upset or feels let down? 🤷‍♀️

Could you try a bit of role play with your daughter? Strategies for phrases she can have up her sleeve for next time an idea is appropriated/she is undermined? It’ll stand her in good stead for her adult life and for feeling out of her depth as she progresses through her teenage years.

couchparsnip · 05/10/2024 06:48

If the teacher is any good they will already be aware of this child's personality. Your DDs perception that everyone loves this girl probably isn't accurate either.
Definitely voice your concerns. If your DD is having a hard time then she needs to think about what a friend actually is and that her own feelings matter. In year 5-6 friendships often change anyway as the children are maturing.

RaspberryBeretxx · 02/10/2024 13:54

You're definitely right to involve the school - it looks like the type of thing that will be hard for them to manage especially with a 1 form entry but at the very least they should be aware and could move them to separate tables.

Also, keep talking to your DD and reassuring her it's fine to not be friends with someone and especially when they're not being kind. I'd also make an excuse not to give the girl a lift in future or host play dates. Just drop the rope and don't facilitate the friendship at all. It'll be confusing for your DD if you're saying "you don't need to be friends with xxx" then you're being really kind to her and her mum and helping them out with lifts etc. Try and model the civil but distanced approach that your DD could take.

LookItsMeAgain · 02/10/2024 13:34

If you can, get your daughter involved in Public Speaking or Drama classes out side of school. Don't mention anything to either this girl or her mother.
Both of those outside interests will help build her confidence and that can't be a bad thing, right?

Lockupyourbiscuits · 02/10/2024 13:24

Find an outlet or hobby they enjoy out of school perhaps because there will always be children of different confidence levels

You certainly won’t be able to control a smooth path at secondary school so give her skills to navigate tricky friendships now and alternative outlets to shine .

twomanyfrogsinabox · 02/10/2024 13:14

I might have a friendly general chat with the girl and see what comes up, definitely not confrontational, that would be bad on so many levels.

Balloonhearts · 02/10/2024 13:09

If the girl cries and tells then your daughter simply needs to say that she was unkind to her lots of times and that she doesn't want friends who think they're better than everyone else. In front of the girl if necessary. It's a hard lesson but needs to be learnt.

MumChp · 02/10/2024 13:09

The teacher is aware. Wouldn't do anything ekse than sort my own kid.

Maray1967 · 02/10/2024 13:08

birdling · 30/09/2024 17:34

As a teacher, if a child came up to me to report on another child's spelling mistake I would not look kindly on that child. So I suspect that the teacher might already have an inkling that the girl is not all sunshine and flowers.

OP, please note this. I’d be astounded if a teacher thinks a child who reports another child’s spelling mistakes is an angel.

inmyera · 02/10/2024 13:04

Thanks everyone. She came back upset again yesterday so I've sent the email. I don't know why I feel so bad for doing so.

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inmyera · 02/10/2024 13:04

DrummingMousWife · 01/10/2024 11:30

Can your dd move classes ? This girl is an emotional bully and your dd is better off away from her altogether.

Unfortunately not, it's a small school, one form entry.

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DrummingMousWife · 01/10/2024 11:30

Can your dd move classes ? This girl is an emotional bully and your dd is better off away from her altogether.

FlyingPandas · 01/10/2024 11:24

As others have said (and as you've acknowledged) - far better to speak to the teacher.

I would not be at all surprised if she already has at least a degree of awareness that this girl is something of a queen bee type.

I would just be careful about how you word an email/structure your conversation with the teacher though (speaking as someone who works in a school and sees how very differently parents can handle this sort of thing!).

So, far better to say something along the lines of

'I appreciate that X is a very confident, popular girl, but recently I've just been a bit concerned about the friendship dynamic between her and DD and I'm not sure it's entirely positive/kind/healthy'

rather than something like

'right, I'm fuming. You need to sort out X. She's being a right unkind little madam to my DD and the problem is everyone thinks the sun shines out of X so she gets away with it'

for example.

Approach A is far more likely to yield a positive discussion than approach B. Apologies if this seems like stating the blindingly obvious but believe me many parents do seem to default straight to B!

Hope you can help improve the situation for your DD, OP, it's horrible when they are upset with friendships Flowers

Edingril · 01/10/2024 11:10

Do not speak to this child, the idea is appalling

Coconutter24 · 01/10/2024 11:10

Never speak to a child about issues especially without their parent there. The child could say something to their parent and it get totally blown up into something it isn’t. As others have said speak to the teacher. A teacher who spends all day with their pupils tends to know the kids personality and what they are like.

Member984815 · 01/10/2024 11:07

Speak to the teacher , but I'd bet she knows the dynamic already.

Bestyearever2024 · 01/10/2024 11:06

inmyera · 30/09/2024 16:46

Thanks everyone. I will speak to the teacher. Part of the problem is that everyone thinks the sun shines out of this girl's arse.
I've tried so hard to suggest that she play with others but she's worried about hurting the girl's feelings. Last week my daughter came home crying one day, asking if it was awful to stop being friends with someone you've been friends with since nursery.
Another girl left the school because she felt so belittled by this girl.
I just feel so helpless and so desperate to help my daughter find her confidence again.
I know you're all right, I can't speak to the girl. I will email the teacher when I have calmed down!

Definitely speak to the teacher

And (i say this with kindness) find ways to help your daughter build her confidence, self esteem and self worth

Maria1979 · 01/10/2024 11:03

Get your daughter away from this girl asap. You can tell your daughter YOU are the one forbidding them to play together. That way your daughter can't be blamed and you can go ahead and tell the mother why if she asks.

birdling · 30/09/2024 17:34

As a teacher, if a child came up to me to report on another child's spelling mistake I would not look kindly on that child. So I suspect that the teacher might already have an inkling that the girl is not all sunshine and flowers.

inmyera · 30/09/2024 16:58

olivepoems · 30/09/2024 16:55

omg glad you've realised you can't approach the friend - an actual CHILD. good lord. teach your daughter to stand up for herself and that you don't have to stay friends with people just because you have known them a long time.

her mum might have a superiority complex that she's passed on to her child, but maybe you have people pleasing tendencies that you've passed on to yours.

correct on both counts. Thanks for being so nice about it.

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olivepoems · 30/09/2024 16:55

omg glad you've realised you can't approach the friend - an actual CHILD. good lord. teach your daughter to stand up for herself and that you don't have to stay friends with people just because you have known them a long time.

her mum might have a superiority complex that she's passed on to her child, but maybe you have people pleasing tendencies that you've passed on to yours.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 30/09/2024 16:49

she's worried about hurting the girl's feelings

This is where you point out that this girl is hurting your daughters feelings, and doesn't seem all that bothered by it. We had a similar situation with DD and it was pointing out that friends support each other and really try not to hurt each other, that it got through to her that this girl wasn't really a friend to her.

inmyera · 30/09/2024 16:46

Thanks everyone. I will speak to the teacher. Part of the problem is that everyone thinks the sun shines out of this girl's arse.
I've tried so hard to suggest that she play with others but she's worried about hurting the girl's feelings. Last week my daughter came home crying one day, asking if it was awful to stop being friends with someone you've been friends with since nursery.
Another girl left the school because she felt so belittled by this girl.
I just feel so helpless and so desperate to help my daughter find her confidence again.
I know you're all right, I can't speak to the girl. I will email the teacher when I have calmed down!

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