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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 29/09/2024 17:02

I think you could just say thanks for introducing you to Marian and her boyfriend, but you'd like to spend time with Jane on her own when you visit because you don't see her often ; do say hello to Marian though.

LlynTegid · 29/09/2024 16:59

The lateness would be enough for me not to want to meet someone like Marian again, the one sided conversation the icing on the 'no thank you' cake.

SerafinasGoose · 29/09/2024 16:57

Being a captive audience to someone who talks at you constantly would not be an option for me. I know some ND people do this, as there are issues with reading social cues. But even if this is the case with Marian, at some point in life not sidelining everyone around you whilst you say whatever is on your mind has to become a consideration. Other people matter too.

I'd say a polite but firm no thank you to Jane: we rarely see each other and I'd prefer to just see you and have a proper catch-up. No need to make her a present of your real opinion of Marian - unless, of course, she keeps pushing her onto you.

I have friends of friends I can happily coexist with in small doses, but would never be friends with or actively seek their company of my own volition. My actual friends can read the cues well enough not to press the issue.

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:56

I wonder if Jane thinks you and Marian have some traits in common - not suggesting you are ill-mannered but you seem to have been the only person in a largish group to take charge? She may feel you can cope with 'straight-talking' Marian where she feels steamrollered.

That's a good point actually!

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Delphiniumandlupins · 29/09/2024 16:54

Don't worry about it until it happens. They may fall out of being friends before you visit again. When you next see Jane make sure you know what she is planning and if she mentions Marian that's the time to say you didn't warm to her because of the lateness and rudeness.

I wonder if Jane thinks you and Marian have some traits in common - not suggesting you are ill-mannered but you seem to have been the only person in a largish group to take charge? She may feel you can cope with 'straight-talking' Marian where she feels steamrollered.

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:53

hillroad · 29/09/2024 16:50

are we talking about you visiting Jane once or twice a year?

Probably every two or three months.

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:52

Saschka · 29/09/2024 16:25

I don’t believe Marian said anything of the sort honestly! Either Jane is trying to engineer a friendship, or she is the kind of people-pleaser who feels the need to make this kind of thing up. I have known a couple of people who have felt the need to make up this kind of thing because they think their rude friend ought to have said it out of politeness, and they are covering up Rude Friend’s lack of social graces. A white lie, albeit a totally pointless one.

Jane isn’t the type to make things up, but I think the poster who said Marian probably doesn’t really give a toss about meeting me again, but has said it to please Jane (or perhaps to disguise that she can’t remember who I am) might be onto something.

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hillroad · 29/09/2024 16:50

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:25

This is why I thought maybe I should grin and bear it - it’s not like if we still lived down the road from one another and Jane wanted to invite Marian out every week (God forbid!)

On the other hand, the distance could be a handy excuse if I tell Jane I’d rather see her one on one this time because I don’t get to spend time with her that often.

are we talking about you visiting Jane once or twice a year?

Italiangreyhound · 29/09/2024 16:45

Totally agree with FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant

"If Jane asks again I'd just say you'd prefer to keep it just you two as Marian was full-on, a bit rude and not really your kind of person."

You do't need to go into details even, just not your thing.

HighPrecisionGhosts · 29/09/2024 16:43

I'd have to go again to just to double check she is a nightmare.

pseudonymyname · 29/09/2024 16:43

I think with incessant talking, people that do that aren't aware of it. There are some drugs that can cause this so I believe it is a chemical imbalance jn the brain. But you don't need to put yourself through that don't make friends with her

ilovesooty · 29/09/2024 16:39

PrincessOlga · 29/09/2024 16:30

I would just say something to Jane like, you know, I must be growing old, but I am becoming such a fuddy-duddy. I just cannot abide any new people at all and only ever want to meet up with my old friends. I have even started going to bed early with a book! My [partner] says I am turning into my grandmother and I think my [partner] is right! How about we just meet up, you and I, sometime...?

Why make excuses like that when you can just say that you didn't like her behaviour and don't want to meet her again?

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 29/09/2024 16:38

Why don't you just say what you've written here:

"I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up."

goodboystepup · 29/09/2024 16:38

I'm a bit of a blunt cow in these situations, I'd probably just tell her I found her friend rude and didn't like her.

I've had a similar situation before and ended up telling my friend that I'm glad she has a friend locally but I don't want to spend my free time and money hanging out with them.

Idontgiveashitanymore · 29/09/2024 16:36

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 29/09/2024 15:16

If Jane asks again I'd just say you'd prefer to keep it just you two as Marian was full-on, a bit rude and not really your kind of person.

This ⬆️!,!

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 16:35

Wildywondrous · 29/09/2024 15:41

Have you changed the names in your story and if so is Marian really named Michelle?
If so I know her.

There's nothing wrong with telling Jane you don't wait to meet up with her again, why spend time and money socialising with someone you don't like.

No I think it’s really Tracey; the ops post describes her perfectly.

Bestyearever2024 · 29/09/2024 16:33

I'd have ordered food after 20 mins and Robogob could catch up once she deigned to arrive

I'd just say no to any future meets that RG is involved with

randomflumpsy · 29/09/2024 16:30

On the other hand, the distance could be a handy excuse

The problem with making up excuses like this is- what if Jane says "oh no! I dont mind Marian coming along at all, - we can still catch up with her there, I trust her and I'm sure she'd love to get to know you better".

I think you need to spell it out that Marian is not your type of person. There is no other way of sugar coating this as Jane will just brush the distance thing off and say "the more the merrier". Then, what?

You arent obliged to be best buddies with every friend of a friend. It's perfectly ok to say that you dont mesh with someone.

PrincessOlga · 29/09/2024 16:30

I would just say something to Jane like, you know, I must be growing old, but I am becoming such a fuddy-duddy. I just cannot abide any new people at all and only ever want to meet up with my old friends. I have even started going to bed early with a book! My [partner] says I am turning into my grandmother and I think my [partner] is right! How about we just meet up, you and I, sometime...?

tryingagaintoday · 29/09/2024 16:29

I had friends who were a married couple who were like this. Clearly thought of themselves as nice, good, kind people but utterly obliviously selfish. They would pull shit like this, and worse, all the time. Steer clear, is my advice.

Saschka · 29/09/2024 16:25

I don’t believe Marian said anything of the sort honestly! Either Jane is trying to engineer a friendship, or she is the kind of people-pleaser who feels the need to make this kind of thing up. I have known a couple of people who have felt the need to make up this kind of thing because they think their rude friend ought to have said it out of politeness, and they are covering up Rude Friend’s lack of social graces. A white lie, albeit a totally pointless one.

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:25

hillroad · 29/09/2024 15:50

how often do you envisage getting together with Jane in her hone city if you’re no longer local to one another?

This is why I thought maybe I should grin and bear it - it’s not like if we still lived down the road from one another and Jane wanted to invite Marian out every week (God forbid!)

On the other hand, the distance could be a handy excuse if I tell Jane I’d rather see her one on one this time because I don’t get to spend time with her that often.

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NameChanged9 · 29/09/2024 16:24

ANightingaleSang · 29/09/2024 15:11

She sounds a nightmare. You're not being unreasonable. Your post is also very well written, you had me hooked ☺️

@BucketBouquet
Absolutely this.

Your writing style is great - had me hooked too!

FerienInLipizza · 29/09/2024 16:23

Demonhunter · 29/09/2024 16:18

Robogob is going to be my new favourite insult 🤣

Same. I'm stealing robogob too. 😆

honeyrider · 29/09/2024 16:23

Demonhunter · 29/09/2024 16:18

Robogob is going to be my new favourite insult 🤣

Robogob is the perfect description - thanks OP, I'm going to start using it for one of my sisters who never stops talking to let others speak.

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