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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 18:11

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told?

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily.

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IreneGoodnight · 29/09/2024 18:10

Jane's embarrassed that Marian didn't live up to her great billing.
Jane thinks you might be doubting her character judgement and wants a second chance to show you what great company she keeps these days.
Marian realises what a dick she was and is currying favour with Jane in a ludicrous way.
Jane and Marian are scratching each other's backs for some reason?
Going forward: You are not obliged to enjoy the company of a friend of a friend - even if they're actually quite nice.
Three is an awkward social number. Invariably someone ends up on the outside looking in. Make sure it's not you!

ciderhouserules · 29/09/2024 18:08

FFS OP - 'do i have to grin and bear it?' Do you always do as you're told? Hmm

How about you say to your friend - 'look, I didn't really like her, how about we just meet up just you and me?'

Does your friend 'need' lots of people around her at all times? (Some people do, I suppose) If so, I think I'd be dropping her as a friend(As we wouldn't have much in common any more).

DoneAndNotDusted · 29/09/2024 18:04

Robogob - love it!

I no longer have the patience to hang around waiting to order when someone is very late. Seriously, I would have said "I think it's time to order, don't you?" and if they didn't, I'd have left,...so I probably wouldn't have met Marian in the first place! I don't understand people just waiting and waiting.... maybe I'm just rude though!

In your situation OP, I would probably say what others have said ie. Marian isn't my type of person, and that I'd like to see Jane on her own especially as it isn't very often we would meet up.

IsawwhatIsaw · 29/09/2024 18:03

Lollipopsicle · 29/09/2024 17:47

Grow a backbone and tell your friend that you don't like this woman and why, and you have no wish to meet up. Problem solved.

This comment nails it .

hillroad · 29/09/2024 17:59

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 17:58

In retrospect we should have ordered some starters or something and then ordered mains when everyone was there, but we didn’t know she and her boyfriend were going to be so late. It’s not like she’d even messaged to say; Jane had to chase her.

If we’d all ordered and left them to it, it would have solved the hunger issue, but we’d still have been stuck waiting around for them to finish. You just move the waiting around to the other end of the meal.

did Jane or anything hint that this was usual behaviour from her?

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 17:58

harrumphh · 29/09/2024 17:43

As other people have said, it's normal to order if someone is running late. If you'd done this you wouldn't have been so hangry and then literally every single thing she said and did wouldn't have pissed you off. She would have been looking at the menu while you were eating, for example.

You should give her another chance.

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In retrospect we should have ordered some starters or something and then ordered mains when everyone was there, but we didn’t know she and her boyfriend were going to be so late. It’s not like she’d even messaged to say; Jane had to chase her.

If we’d all ordered and left them to it, it would have solved the hunger issue, but we’d still have been stuck waiting around for them to finish. You just move the waiting around to the other end of the meal.

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Topseyt123 · 29/09/2024 17:52

I'm afraid I would just be quite blunt and say "sorry, but no. Marian is certainly not my type and I was uncomfortable in her company."

That would ensure that the message came across and couldn't be ignored.

Moveoverdarlin · 29/09/2024 17:49

In this scenario I’d just be honest. I’m not a ‘say it as it is’ type of person but in this instance you have nothing to lose. It’s not like you are going to upset the apple cart in a long established friendship group. She’s a stranger to you.

I would say to Jane ‘Oh leave me out of any future gatherings with Marian, she’s not my cup of tea at all. At your birthday meal she was nearly an hour late, didn’t apologise and then dominated the whole evening with every insignificant detail of her life. If I’m being brutal Jane I thought she was bloody awful! Ha ha!’

Lollipopsicle · 29/09/2024 17:47

Grow a backbone and tell your friend that you don't like this woman and why, and you have no wish to meet up. Problem solved.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 29/09/2024 17:43

I met a Marian once I will never ever forget it.
My friend moved away and a few years later brought her new mate home. About 6 of us went for Sunday lunch.
We had been there the sum total of twenty minutes and she said to me…
Oh lovely watch? Is it DKNY? I’ve been told you love your labels but DKNY isn’t really designer, is it?
It went on, and on and on and on.
I am not sure how we all lasted but we ended up in a bar. The one time she went to the bar she came back and told me about ‘a totally rich guy’ who had been chatting her up. He had a villa in Marbella, apparently, so she was going back over to talk to him.
Looked over it was someone I went to school with. A bus driver! A good looking one to be fair. He smiled, I smiled, I realised he was winding her up so I left them all to it.
I have only had to suffer her once since, at a wedding, but by then she was completely outnumbered. I can’t out her real name but she did call herself ‘Jonet’ well she was really Janet! (Not an exact replica but I’ve been creative!)
Have a feeling your friend is being kind to you - Marian probably couldn’t pick you out of a line up. Jonet only remembered people who she thought had higher status.
So me and my DKNY watch were not memorable!

harrumphh · 29/09/2024 17:43

As other people have said, it's normal to order if someone is running late. If you'd done this you wouldn't have been so hangry and then literally every single thing she said and did wouldn't have pissed you off. She would have been looking at the menu while you were eating, for example.

You should give her another chance.

AmberAlert86 · 29/09/2024 17:42

@BucketBouquet is Marion an alias? Does her real name start with the letter "V"? Feel free to pm me

BirthdayRainbow · 29/09/2024 17:38

Robogob😂

She liked you as you only spoke to get food ordered then listened...

GinToBegin · 29/09/2024 17:36

In your shoes, I’d be inclined to give her a second (and final) chance. That said, I couldn’t be doing with all the time-keeping nonsense in a restaurant, so if another meet-up is suggested, I’d go along with it, but insist on it being for coffee or drinks. If then pushed, I’d simply say how frustrating I’d found the last occasion, and that I’d prefer not to have a repeat of that.

FranticFrankie · 29/09/2024 17:28

Robogob!!!!
I know one of those- yatter yatter then when you open your mouth to speak, she says ‘gotta run, bye’
I avoid her now
🤣🤣
I don’t blame you OP- give her a swerve

StaunchMomma · 29/09/2024 17:27

If Jane is a good friend then you should be able to tell her that you didn't get an awfully good impression of this Marian from meeting her, with the lateness, rudeness and general over-bearing chatter, and say you'd really just rather not at the moment.

I wouldn't bow out of further events in which she is attending but I wouldn't fancy meeting up with someone I'm not keen on when there are just a few there.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 17:25

i wouldn’t give this another thought
Jane was probably just chewing the fat
You’ll visit her a couple of times a year OP

how old are you both?

graceinspace999 · 29/09/2024 17:17

I’d just say no - I found her rude and gobby but I’ll meet you alone when we get a chance.

halava · 29/09/2024 17:17

You are overthinking things. The distance and frequency of your visits means you can avoid RoboGob quite easily. I'd just be non committal about meeting RoboGob and carry on with the "Oh yes Jane I'm looking forward to seeing you soon" etc.

But one thing I would do is make sure RoboGob is NOT included in any gathering. Just make sure it is you and Jane and say that to her (Jane). Nothing like a chinwag and gossip session between two gals. RoboGob will seriously hinder that!

If pressed I think I'd say something like, "OMG that Marian one is a hell of a talker, no one around the table could get a word in edgeways, did you notice that? And the way she turned up nearly and hour late and took another half an hour to order, gosh I was nearly eating the tablecloth!. She is bloody hard work, don't you think?" Or something like that.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 17:14

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 16:53

Probably every two or three months.

shes just moved there…. in 3 months… invite her to yours.

Then it will be you to hers twice a year

IsawwhatIsaw · 29/09/2024 17:12

Maybe I’m just getting too old for this type of behavior, but I won’t tolerate it any more.
its a waste of my time.

GivingitToGod · 29/09/2024 17:11

Staunchlystarling · 29/09/2024 15:45

I’d tread carefully. Maybe Marian was nervous or something, you never know, sometimes people talk too much when they are. And I guess the traffic explanation was by way of apology. I’d be tempted to try one more time, if you really don’t wish to, then I’d keep making excuses, seldom does the truth go down well when the two people are close, and it is you who will be excluded.

This

ButternutSoup · 29/09/2024 17:07

Don't allow Robogob into your life unless you want to develop high blood pressure! Poor Jane, and poor you. I'm 43, and have finally learned how to avoid people like that without a second thought. Life is too short!

Cowboycorgi · 29/09/2024 17:05

If Jane is usually a good judge of character, maybe Marion is nice, but she'd overdone the pre going out drinks and made a tit of herself?.

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