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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 15:57

hillroad · 30/09/2024 14:35

i think it was a throwaway comment by Jane that you have taken way too seriously

Yes, you have made this quite clear now. I can read perfectly well. You don’t need to keep banging the same drum.

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AmberAlert86 · 30/09/2024 14:55

I'd say give Marian another chance. If she's thoughtless next time (say if its only the 3 of you meeting) then at least you will know you tried.

As some others said, Marian might have nd issues with meeting new people. That would also explain poor time keeping.

hillroad · 30/09/2024 14:36

I really care about that I’d rather walk under buses than spend time with someone she really likes.

bloomin heck… all this drama OP

when i reckon Jane has forgotten she even mentioned it! and you won’t see Jane for another few months anyway!

hillroad · 30/09/2024 14:35

i think it was a throwaway comment by Jane that you have taken way too seriously

hillroad · 30/09/2024 14:34

op how old are you and Jane?!

and did anyone indicate this was usual thoughtless behaviour from Marian?

BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 14:31

ciderhouserules · 30/09/2024 13:45

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily. Sorry, OP, but are you saying that if you tell 'Jane' that you don't really like 'Marian', then you will be upsetting Jane? Hmm Why would she be upset? Why not just say to Jane 'look I'd prefer to meet up with just you in the future? You think she'd be upset at that? Hmm

After all, If you drop Jane into a dinner party of ALLLL your friends, and Jane later said she didn't get on with one of your friends, would you be upset? Annoyed? Rethinking the entire friendship?
Or would you just think - ok, we can't all like everyone we meet, we're all different. I'll seat them apart in future, or meet up with just Jane.

I don't get it. Just tell Jane. It's really not a big deal.

No, you really don’t get it - and those little side eye emojis are just making you look a bit snide, to be honest.

Do I think Jane will be opening a vein if she finds out I don’t like Marian? Of course not. But I do think she’s had a hard time with structure financially and then moving cities, even to somewhere she already knows well. Who knows - maybe Jane thinks that if I’m friends with Marian too, it will give me more reason to visit. Or maybe I’m overthinking it, it was just something Marian sound out of politeness (first time for everything) and Jane will forget she even mentioned it. Either way, I don’t think I’m weird for thinking it’s best to avoid any meet-up without telling someone I really care about that I’d rather walk under buses than spend time with someone she really likes.

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mumtotwo11 · 30/09/2024 13:53

I'd maybe give Marion one more chance -if you still feel as you do then just arrange to meet with just Jane and meet Marion when you have to (eg when it's Jane's birthday and she wants you both there etc) and be civil.

We don't all have to like the same people but we can all get on.

ciderhouserules · 30/09/2024 13:45

No, I don’t. But I do have this funny little habit of trying to avoid upsetting my oldest friends unnecessarily. Sorry, OP, but are you saying that if you tell 'Jane' that you don't really like 'Marian', then you will be upsetting Jane? Hmm Why would she be upset? Why not just say to Jane 'look I'd prefer to meet up with just you in the future? You think she'd be upset at that? Hmm

After all, If you drop Jane into a dinner party of ALLLL your friends, and Jane later said she didn't get on with one of your friends, would you be upset? Annoyed? Rethinking the entire friendship?
Or would you just think - ok, we can't all like everyone we meet, we're all different. I'll seat them apart in future, or meet up with just Jane.

I don't get it. Just tell Jane. It's really not a big deal.

BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 13:10

MelodyMalone · 30/09/2024 10:37

How long has Jane known Marian? Is she a new friend or from uni days?

I actually don’t know how long she’s known her - Jane stayed on in the city for a few years after uni before moving back to our hometown. They definitely weren’t actually at uni together as Marian is too young.

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MelodyMalone · 30/09/2024 10:37

How long has Jane known Marian? Is she a new friend or from uni days?

SavageTomato · 30/09/2024 03:34

Jane is really naive and people pleasing. Best thing you could do is spell out what a bitch Marian is and tell Jane she doesn't have to put up with it. I bet you she has never been given the chance to see it that way. Do her a massive favour and spell it out. Marian is not her friend and its okay to be pissed off about that. And fucking ditch her.

PeachMoose · 30/09/2024 03:20

Agree it's a great write up (Robogob 😊)

My take is Jane has got into an odd 1-1 dynamic with domineering Marian and wants you involved so you can be the "buffer".

That's not saying Janes a bad person but if she was lonely and feeling vulnerable and just finding her feet practically and socially, a local friend like Marian could be quite appealing.

Domineering rude bores can often be super-extroverted/very active socially. They tend to be the types who aren't comfortable in their own heads.

Say Marian suggests visiting a festival/going on holiday or something.

Jane doesn't want to be stuck with Marian but wants to have the experience still and can't go otherwise.

Jane knows Marian will be causing drama, turning up late, annoying random people.

So you have to then turn up just to cover for Marian and smooth things over....a bit like with the Prosecco.

Agree with pps to just politely say she's not quite your cup of tea or aligned (nothing more) and quietly move on.

Assume Jane won't push but just repeat if needed. I'd opt out of any events with Marian there at close quarters or where you're going to be impacted by her.

ChampagneLassie · 30/09/2024 02:21

Figleafpants · 29/09/2024 15:37

"No thanks Jane. I know you like Marian but she really isnt my sort of person. I actually found the way she behaved at your birthday quite rude and off-putting."

Nothing whatsoever wrong with saying that. Its true.

This is a better phrasing

deviantfeline · 30/09/2024 01:46

Someone similar to this has Wendied their way into my friendship group. Everyone seems to be in awe of her and I think she's a loudmouth narcissist.

I just say to people 'oh we just have very different energies' which they seem to accept and actually most of them nod knowingly (like they are expected to like her but actually find her annoying and exhausting)

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2024 01:39

"Ah, the thing is Jane, Marian isn't really my kind of person. When I come to visit I'm here to see you, and I'd prefer it if Marian didn't gatecrash if I'm honest."

BucketBouquet · 30/09/2024 01:32

IntheVicinity · 29/09/2024 21:19

You were just a fellow-guest, it was Jane’s birthday meal, with Jane as host. If Jane wasn’t terribly put out by the late people’s lateness, I don’t see why you should be. And it’s not, after all, your problem if the waiter would prefer not to take orders in a staggered way. If it was a table for eight, and six of you, including the person whose birthday it was were there, it would seem perfectly natural to order your meals and let the latecomers order if/when they arrive, if they were more than 15 minutes late.

You seem very hung up on the fact that I was not “the host”. Are you really saying that no one in a wider party is allowed to be annoyed at blatant rudeness just because they didn’t issue the invitation?

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IntheVicinity · 29/09/2024 21:19

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 20:40

You seem to be taking this lateness awfully personally. I would have ordered some starters and got on with the evening. You weren’t hosting, and it was someone else’s birthday, so I think if she’d not been permanently outraged, I’d let it go too.

I don’t see how I took it “personally”. I think most people would be unimpressed by someone turning up 45 minutes late to a birthday meal, not even wishing the host a happy birthday and then causing even more delays.

It’s all very well saying “I would have ordered some starters and got on with the evening”, but as I said in an earlier post, we didn’t know how late she was going to be. Plus most restaurants prefer the entire party to order together.

You were just a fellow-guest, it was Jane’s birthday meal, with Jane as host. If Jane wasn’t terribly put out by the late people’s lateness, I don’t see why you should be. And it’s not, after all, your problem if the waiter would prefer not to take orders in a staggered way. If it was a table for eight, and six of you, including the person whose birthday it was were there, it would seem perfectly natural to order your meals and let the latecomers order if/when they arrive, if they were more than 15 minutes late.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 21:04

op how old are you both?

did Jane or anyone say or hint that this was typical of Marion

Sometimeswinning · 29/09/2024 20:54

I have a list of friends entitled, selfish, anxious, broom stuck up bum, chatty and resting bitch face. If I had written them off after our first meeting I’d have missed out. First impressions are not always the best. But then I like the quirky ones. I don’t always need to be surrounded by people who have the same outlook as me. All the ones I’ve listed are the ones who also go above and beyond for their friends.

In short I’d give it one last go!

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 20:40

You seem to be taking this lateness awfully personally. I would have ordered some starters and got on with the evening. You weren’t hosting, and it was someone else’s birthday, so I think if she’d not been permanently outraged, I’d let it go too.

I don’t see how I took it “personally”. I think most people would be unimpressed by someone turning up 45 minutes late to a birthday meal, not even wishing the host a happy birthday and then causing even more delays.

It’s all very well saying “I would have ordered some starters and got on with the evening”, but as I said in an earlier post, we didn’t know how late she was going to be. Plus most restaurants prefer the entire party to order together.

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AffableApple · 29/09/2024 19:52

Didn't mean to quote the whole thing, sorry.

AffableApple · 29/09/2024 19:50

BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

Jane is desperate for friends. Your uni town looks very different when you move back for work. She wants you to tell her, kindly, that Marian isn't the answer. You tell her you don't want to waste an evening with your oldest friend waiting for someone who doesn't prioritise her. But that you'd be happy to check out that new book group/aerobics class/open poetry night/whatever with her.

Josette77 · 29/09/2024 19:41

There's been studies done on male and female friendships. Anecdotal evidence doesn't change the facts that men struggle more with long term friendships.

I would have just ordered food. I don't mind sitting around talking after a meal if others are still eating. Especially at a birthday celebration.

Sounds like Jane was scattered that day for whatever reason.

Two of my best friends don't like each other. I would say they both can be quick to judge and controlling at their worst. They just rub each other wrong but are oddly similar.

hillroad · 29/09/2024 19:23

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 29/09/2024 19:18

Sorry, but I don't recognise that at all. My brother has a group of 3 friends from his school days who he sees every couple of months, despite them all living in different parts of the country. My Dad is a truly crappy father, but has friends from school, and has just spent months helping an old bandmate during his last few months alive because he had no-one else. My StepDad, (much better at the Dad stuff than my Dad) also has a good 4 really close friends.

I'd say the same about most of my male friends as well, they've all got other, longstanding friendships.

I'll give you that we may not see each other or talk quite as frequently as female friendships do, but I'd really take issue that most men don't have close friendships.

Anyway, it seems I've derailed the thread a bit, so I'll leave it there so OP can keep getting advice.

i reckon most women on mumsnet will support my view that the majority of men do not have deep, enduring, supportive and regular contact with close friends

Scandicc · 29/09/2024 19:21

No wonder she liked you, she probably thought you’re an EXCELLENT listener 😂

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