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To not want to meet up with this rude woman?

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BucketBouquet · 29/09/2024 14:59

My oldest friend, Jane, recently moved back to her university city; partly for personal reasons, but also because she was offered a job there. She hadn’t been working for a while when she got this job, so is playing catch-up financially, but she decided to treat herself to a birthday night out last weekend. I travelled to join her.

Jane has quite a few friends in this city who I haven’t met before. She was excited for me to meet them, but singled out one in particular, Marian. She was saying she just knew we’d get on great, she’s so lovely etc.

Anyway, we go out for Jane’s birthday meal. After about ten minutes, Marian and her boyfriend haven’t arrived. We order wine, but say we’ll wait for them to order the food. Ten minutes turns into 20, then 25… still no sign, not even a “sorry, running late” text. The waiter has been back asking if we know when we’ll be ready to order, then to try to sell us more wine (which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget). I suggest it’s time to ring Marian and check she’s definitely still coming. Jane does; Marian says the traffic is terrible, but they’ll be there any minute. 10 more minutes pass; everyone is hungry and in need of a drink. I say I’ll treat us to some Prosecco as it’s a special occasion (mainly to pacify the waiter, who’s clearly concerned about a table for eight having been there over half an hour without ordering).

Marian and her boyfriend finally arrive 45 minutes late. Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu. Jane’s clearly waiting for a pause in the monologue that I sense isn’t coming, so I say “Sorry to interrupt, but I think we really need to order; they’ve been over a few times now”. Marian umms and ahhhs over every bloody menu item like she’s got all day, rather than being 45 minutes late and having pissed everyone off. She eventually orders.

But the rudeness didn’t stop there. The woman barely paused for breath throughout the entire meal. We had chapter and verse on her job, their flat, her hobbies… she didn’t ask anyone else a question or show any interest. I didn’t even hear her wish Jane a happy birthday. (If you’re wondering about the boyfriend, he barely said a word. I don’t know if he was just ignorant or has been stunned into silence by living with Robogob.)

Anyway, yesterday Jane rang me. She thanked me again for coming down - but then said, “Oh, I meant to say, Marian really liked you! She wants to know when you’re coming down again so we can all go out”. I’m baffled, frankly. I don’t know how she could either like or dislike me; she never stopped talking for long enough for me to speak to her, and she certainly wasn’t interested in getting to know me (or anyone else). I can’t understand why on earth she’d want us to meet up.

I’m hoping the idea will just fall by the wayside, but if Jane pushes it I’ve no idea what to say. She’s such a kind person and clearly sees something in this woman; I don’t fancy telling her that the “lovely” friend she was so keen for me to meet is, in fact, a total arsewipe. Do I just grin and bear it?

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LoobyDoop2 · 01/10/2024 18:12

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 14:55

and out of the 6

you treated the table to one bottle of prosecco amongst 6, and after everyone had necked their thimble of fizz …. no one else did and so everyone sat there waiting for Marian to rock up with the good stuff 😆

One bottle of prosecco between six as part of the refreshments for the evening is perfectly fine, and it’s not the OP’s fault or problem if everyone else there was a scabby cokehead.

Oopsadaisy92 · 01/10/2024 15:06

Like a few others have said is it possie that Marion was embarrassed by being late and projected her embarrassment into waffle and therefore didn't think to ask after anyone else.

If it is the first time meeting her, give her the benefit of doubt as your friend clearly likes her.

hydriotaphia · 01/10/2024 14:59

I wouldn't start bitching about how rude she is (even if true) to your friend. I would try to avoid saying you don't like her. Just say you'd rather meet your friend one on one and if it comes down to it, just say something very bland like you didn't feel a connection with Marian.

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 14:55

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 11:31

There were six of us. Two people hadn’t arrived. Perhaps I didn’t make that clear - oh no, wait…

and out of the 6

you treated the table to one bottle of prosecco amongst 6, and after everyone had necked their thimble of fizz …. no one else did and so everyone sat there waiting for Marian to rock up with the good stuff 😆

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 14:25

Every one of those silly little emojis knocks points off your IQ that you can ill-afford to lose.

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ciderhouserules · 01/10/2024 14:11

Do I think Jane will be opening a vein if she finds out I don’t like Marian? Of course not. But I do think she’s had a hard time with structure financially and then moving cities, even to somewhere she already knows well. Who knows - maybe Jane thinks that if I’m friends with Marian too, it will give me more reason to visit. Or maybe I’m overthinking it,
D'ya think? I think you are loving the drama. 'Oh help, how do I tell Jane that I don't like Marian without actually telling Jane that I don't like Marian?' Hmm
Most people would just say ' look Jane, she's not my cup of tea, and I'd rather just meet up just you and me.' But you won't do that because it'll be 'upsetting to her' or Jane needs a reason to invite you over more often.
SO - meet up en masse and suck it up, as you yourself suggested you do in your OP. Or don't. I wouldn't. Hmm You are certainly assertive enough on this thread, I don't understand why you need our help.Hmm

So yeah - come on now.

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 11:31

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:51

heavens!
you treated the table of 8 to one bottle of prosecco

that was kind of you

so everyone got a thimble and no one else jumped in to buy a bottle!

There were six of us. Two people hadn’t arrived. Perhaps I didn’t make that clear - oh no, wait…

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nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:54

i reckon the coke comment nailed it

Not a word of apology; just babble about the traffic, you wouldn’t believe it… no attempt to even pick up a menu.

babbling
no appetite
self absorbed

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:53

The13thFairy · 01/10/2024 10:49

Late? Then non-stop talking? It's cocaine.

Good shout!

And no doubt why everyone was seeming to be on tenterhooks waiting for her.

Let me guess Op… there was a sudden flurry of people going to the toilets once Marian had arrived ? 😆

That is why no one aside from Op bought wine. All saving their pennies for Marian’s drop

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:51

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 10:49

What a stupid comment. Did you even read? Jane had already said no to the wine; I knew why, which is why I offered to treat us.

heavens!
you treated the table of 8 to one bottle of prosecco

that was kind of you

so everyone got a thimble and no one else jumped in to buy a bottle!

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 10:49

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:27

so the group sat there
no wine (when the waiter over and offered, why did no one say… yes please!)
no starters

It’s like no one in the group had ever socialised before!

What a stupid comment. Did you even read? Jane had already said no to the wine; I knew why, which is why I offered to treat us.

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The13thFairy · 01/10/2024 10:49

Late? Then non-stop talking? It's cocaine.

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:29

Seems to me like no one at the group wanted (or indeed couldn’t!) to get stuck in to enjoying themselves until Marian rocked up. They’re obviously quite fond of her!

nootcoffee · 01/10/2024 10:27

so the group sat there
no wine (when the waiter over and offered, why did no one say… yes please!)
no starters

It’s like no one in the group had ever socialised before!

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 09:21

Maybe say to Jane - I found Marian quite hard work - she was late, talked all the time and honestly I found it all a bit rude. Is she always like that?

Then at least you'll have some idea if this is normal behaviour for M, or if this occasion was out of character.

I suspect it probably is her normal behaviour though and everyone else has just got used to it!

Figleafpants · 01/10/2024 07:25

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:41

“Come on now” 🙄🙄🙄

Yes, exactly. Because you are acting as if the only two choices here are- see Marian every time you meet your friend and "grin and bear" it OR be utterly rude and insulting about her to Jane.

There is a middle ground here as many people have suggested. If you dont want to say anything at all to Jane then suck it up and enjoy Robogob. You cant have it both ways.

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 01/10/2024 07:08

This reads like one of the episodes of Colin from Accounts. They didn't put up with robogob and neither should you. She sounds extremely tiresome.

beeloubee · 01/10/2024 07:02

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

We didn’t all sit there transfixed; other conversations broke out. My point was that I’d been told Marian was lovely, that I’d really get on with her… she didn’t pause for breath long enough for anyone to decide either way.

Maybe she gets nervous meeting new people. Your friend must have a good reason to think she's lovely. You just don't know why going on. Maybe she has something personal going on in her life right now. Yes it was poor form of her I agree, definitely, but worth giving a chance. Not much to lose by one more meeting at least.

beeloubee · 01/10/2024 07:00

You have only met her once. Maybe she was nervous and over compensated. Maybe give her another chance.

BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:41

Figleafpants · 30/09/2024 18:32

Either way, I don’t think I’m weird for thinking it’s best to avoid any meet-up without telling someone I really care about that I’d rather walk under buses than spend time with someone she really likes

Come on now. Noone suggested telling Jane that Marian is a fcking insufferable bitch and they'd rather be run over by a bus than see her again.

People have suggested lots of benign phrases such as "thanks Jane, but she's not really my cup of tea" or, "she's not my sort of person" or, I dont think we really mesh as people but I'm glad you get on well with her" etc

There is an honest but kind/respectful middle ground here that doesnt involve lying or making up lame excuses that will then inevitably require more lying when Jane protests. I think you are making this into a bigger deal than it needs to be. I'd be surprised if Marian was even gushing about you if she's that self absorbed. I dont think Marian could actually care less.

“Come on now” 🙄🙄🙄

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BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

hillroad · 30/09/2024 20:43

the waiter offered the table more wine to which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget)

was Jane, the birthday girl, paying for everyone?!

No.

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BucketBouquet · 01/10/2024 02:38

Tellysavelas · 30/09/2024 19:45

I can’t believe you all just sat there like lemons listening to Marian.

It’s allowed to turn to someone else and strike up a conversation.

We didn’t all sit there transfixed; other conversations broke out. My point was that I’d been told Marian was lovely, that I’d really get on with her… she didn’t pause for breath long enough for anyone to decide either way.

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Laura95167 · 30/09/2024 22:13

I'd be honest with my friend. I'd say I have enough friends and I found Marian rude and distastefully late. I know you see some good in her and I'm pleased for you but I'm not keen to be in that position again

hillroad · 30/09/2024 20:43

the waiter offered the table more wine to which Jane very quickly said no to, which I’m 90% sure was down to budget)

was Jane, the birthday girl, paying for everyone?!

Catandsquirrel · 30/09/2024 20:03

Agreed, order food and more booze next time!

I think it's fine to say "I'm sure she's a good friend but if I'm honest she wasn't really my cup of tea. Happy to catch up with her if it's another group thing but I'd rather just see you otherwise '

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