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Partner won’t marry me

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Everythingwillbeokk · 29/09/2024 13:06

Partner simply refuses to marry me. He is divorced, has 2 kids. I have never been married, also have 2 kids.

Together for 5 years, lived together for 3. I’ve made it clear I want marriage and commitment, he has made it clear he doesn’t - states he only ever wanted to get married once and it didn’t work out

He also refuses to commit to buying a house together and states it is because he wants only his children to benefit from his estate when he dies. I contribute to his mortgage and when I have really pushed the ‘if you died tomorrow what would you expect?’ He has literally said he would want me to continue paying the entire mortgage and if/when I sell then the entire equity falls to his children - I have told him this will therefore leave me in a position where I will potentially be homeless and elderly. Also he has a good pension set up, again he would not want me to benefit from this in the event of his death.

So I’ve given him an ultimatum - I’ve told him that if there’s no marriage, no commitment in any way, house purchase etc - then I am leaving. I have also started looking at rentals/smaller houses I can buy (I have a small deposit and a good income, I actually earn more than him)

Please someone tell me I am not BU 😓

OP posts:
Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:27

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Edited

I would too. They get snapped up so quickly and a single mum with kids won’t be at the top of the ideal tenant list. Try to sweet talk your way into an early viewing today if you can and offer to rent on the spot if you like it. Otherwise someone else will get it.

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:26

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:21

Oh bore off.... op is not getting a good deal at all.

I don't get women like you. What is the deal,with all this breadcrumb misogyny and misogynist sympathising on this thread!

Op youre doing amazing, ignore the haters. Either men or cockpecked women who think accepting crumbs is acceptable and should've grateful

Agree, he’s not being generous in the slightest. He’s leaving her high and dry while she finances an asset he couldn’t finance on his own. In what world is that fair? She’s supposed to be a family member if they live together and she cares for his children. Yet this selfish fuck thinks it’s fine for his life partner to pay and pay but get nothing while he and his kids sit back and watch the coins roll in. This is a demonstration of how some people think they are unselfish for caring about their own children but are happy to fuck others over in the process. That’s not unselfishness- it’s just narcissism transferred to benefiting your children rather than just yourself.

Hopefully no other woman will be wanting to move in with this catch. Can’t say I’d be enticed really.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:25

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Edited

Yes, I was wondering that, I think that's a really good idea, @Everythingwillbeokk.

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:24

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 13:57

The man is beyond dim: he did not say "my will gives you life interest provision in this house", he simply told her verbally that his kids will let her stay on in the house were he to die and as long as she continues to pay the mortgage. There is no way that is enforceable after his death unless it's in his will. If his kids inherit and want to sell the house they can, making OP homeless.

I think they are trolling op. Or haven't read how mean and nasty he is in other ways, apart from this.

Whoever thinks this is a Good deal for op and her children abd is basis of a loving relationship... I feel sorry for. Need to set Barr higher for themselves.

Especially how much op spends and cleans. I mean that in itself is reason to leave.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 01/10/2024 15:24

Is there any chance you can view the property sooner then ' later this week '

where I live rentals can be gone within hours.

edited to add - or is it the agent that is doing the viewings later this week, and you will be one of the first over the doorstep.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:24

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 15:19

Sorry, I've read OP's posts and can't see the word "will" mentioned anywhere. He's made verbal assertions about future benefits to her in the event of his death, as people are wont to do in order to persuade others to do things for them, and which they have no intention of honouring.

The OP wrote, amongst other things, at around 6.00am this morning:
"In terms of him expecting me to pay the mortgage on his death - he has said (but never proven I will add), that his Will states I have a lifetime interest in the property, and that I would be paying the mortgage to continue to live there - he said ‘you would be paying rent anyway’ - one I have always been clear on (as much as his view on marriage) is that I need to be an owner or joint owner of a property and actually the idiot has very clearly failed to realise he would have been in a far better financial position, with a better home for his children had he done that with me"

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:23

Everythingwillbeokk · 29/09/2024 23:54

Wow. Please let it go.

I don’t need to justify my own awareness of where my kids thoughts are to anyone. My kids are ok because I’ve brought them up to be strong well rounded little individuals and we sit and chat about our day and our feelings often - they know their mum is their safe space and they don’t have to pretend around me.

I agree with you. Your kids will be fine. I am betting there was an undercurrent of tension in the home for quite a while, and they will be relieved to not have to try and pretend it wasn't there or slough it off as NBD.

You sound like an excellent Mom and you three will be fine.

Please take him off the car insurance, get your valuables to your Mom's/into storage, before dickhead absconds with them, and I hope you soon find a place to live. Or squeeze into Mom's. I don't trust the dickhead at all. Please stay safe.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:22

Edited out as I lost the quote I wanted to reply to.

Hedgewitch123 · 01/10/2024 15:21

Owly11 · 01/10/2024 09:52

So you have a lifetime interest in his property. That's quite a big difference from what you initially said, and demonstrates that you misunderstood the situation. Will you update your view of him in light of that? In my view he is being pretty generous. I am not sure why you think he should give you his money, especially as you are keen to let us know that you have more money than him. He has children and they should inherit. He is not leaving you high and dry if he dies, he is making sure you are looked after for life. All he is ensuring is that when you die his kids get his money, which is what any sensible father would do. Keeping finances separate is a completely reasonable path to take when both parties have kids from before the relationship.

Oh bore off.... op is not getting a good deal at all.

I don't get women like you. What is the deal,with all this breadcrumb misogyny and misogynist sympathising on this thread!

Op youre doing amazing, ignore the haters. Either men or cockpecked women who think accepting crumbs is acceptable and should've grateful

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 15:19

Owly11 · 01/10/2024 14:34

@HomeTheatreSystem he has said to OP that it is in his will - see OPs update - a lifetime interest. If that's true it means she can live in it for the rest of her life. If he dies tomorrow that's potentially a very long time, for what is quite a short relationship. Totally legally enforceable. I think it's pretty generous. I wouldn't want my kids to have to wait 30, 40, 50 years for a short term partner to die before they got their inheritance when they could have it sooner and get themselves on the property ladder.

Sorry, I've read OP's posts and can't see the word "will" mentioned anywhere. He's made verbal assertions about future benefits to her in the event of his death, as people are wont to do in order to persuade others to do things for them, and which they have no intention of honouring.

80smonster · 01/10/2024 15:16

Everythingwillbeokk · 01/10/2024 14:57

And so it begins…… I think he is starting to panic. I’ve had a message from him, he’s reluctantly agreeing for me to leave, but wants to talk because he’s stressed at work and this isn’t helping him.

I know - my heart bleeds too…..

On a further note ladies - the house is still available!! I’m going viewing later this week. Small steps.

Surely the response is ‘I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t already been discussed. You’ve made your feelings clear - as have I’.
’Reluctantly agreed I can leave’ sorry what the actual fuck? Are you a hostage or a girlfriend?

Startinganew32 · 01/10/2024 15:16

Keeping my fingers crossed for the house, OP. You deserve it.
I can’t believe people think it’s okay to exploit others just so that their own children can get something.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:15

Lotus125 · 29/09/2024 22:19

I was in the same position last year! A year on…I’ve bought a house for me and my son, we got a dog too and haven’t looked back, living our best lives! It’s not always easy but it will be worth it! You deserve someone who is looking out for you too not just his own. You got this.

YEA!!!! Congratulations! I'm so happy for you!

Not much worth having is easy, but it does make life sweeter when you come into your own and give yourself happiness!

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 15:08

Hyperbowl · 30/09/2024 00:00

You are exceptionally boring and it is absolutely transparent that you are just a deeply unpleasant person with a disturbingly incessant need just to be nasty. All you have done is consistently post with a lame attempt to distort the information the OP has given and create your own narrative, all of it purely fictional to be spiteful. It’s frankly painfully embarrassing to read. The OP has already politely indicated that your opinions are not welcome or regarded and yet you are relentless in your torrent of malicious, finger pointing waffle. Why on earth do you think she needs to justify herself to you? Unbelievably crass and entitled.

Mumsnet is designed to offer help to people in vulnerable positions such as the OP. You’re not providing any form of help and assistance - constructive or otherwise so do everyone a favour and just bow out disgracefully and let people who actually have a basic grasp of emotional intelligence support the OP. Thanks.

You put that so much nicer than I could have. I hadn't gotten to your post yet and was already planning my "banning" so I could go off on the ugly being posted.

Thank you for keeping me from getting kicked. It would be nice if MNHQ would be as quick to ban the bullies as they are to ban the defenders of the bullied.

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Incakewetrust · 01/10/2024 15:06

I'm keeping everything crossed that you get this house! 🤞🤞🤞

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 01/10/2024 15:05

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 14:55

My post was in response to another poster (quoted) who said that PC Plod had given OP a life-interest in the house when in fact he hasn't done any such thing. I wasn't getting into the matter of whether he should or shouldn't let some unrelated woman sit in his house and pay his mortgage so his kids could inherit even more equity than they would if a sale were forced as a result of his death.

People talking about the "lifetime interest" in the house need to make the distinction between what the OP's ex partner has told her is in his will, WHICH HE HAS NOT SHOWN HER, and what is actually in his will (if, indeed, he has made a will), and acknowledge that he could change the will at any time without informing the OP about it. I would also query why on earth he doesn't have life insurance in place to cover the mortgage for his children in the event of his death, and is effectively expecting the OP to provide it for them.

Inthedarkhere · 01/10/2024 15:05

@Everythingwillbeokk you're handling this in the most admirable way with magnificent style. It's tough and upsetting but I do believe that everything will be ok for you, soon.

There have been a few unpleasant contributors on this thread, I can't imagine what inspires their bile, jealousy usually. Ignore them and continue to make plans for living your best life, without him of course.

ResistanceIsCharacterForming · 01/10/2024 15:04

he’s reluctantly agreeing for me to leave

He doesn't have a choice, does he.

Everythingwillbeokk · 01/10/2024 14:57

And so it begins…… I think he is starting to panic. I’ve had a message from him, he’s reluctantly agreeing for me to leave, but wants to talk because he’s stressed at work and this isn’t helping him.

I know - my heart bleeds too…..

On a further note ladies - the house is still available!! I’m going viewing later this week. Small steps.

OP posts:
HomeTheatreSystem · 01/10/2024 14:55

coldcallerbaiter · 01/10/2024 14:14

So if something happened to me or you, would we want our dh re-marrying or putting an asset-less woman on the house? I wouldn’t, separate everything because my and dh assets are for our dc, nobody else’s thanks!

It is only the house we are talking about. Because inheritance or other funds can be left to their separate dc in a Will. If a house is co-owned jointly or in common then it goes to the co-owner. Bf does not want that, he considers her contributions as rent. The stuff about after he dies is nonsense from him, his ex would take control of the house no doubt.

My post was in response to another poster (quoted) who said that PC Plod had given OP a life-interest in the house when in fact he hasn't done any such thing. I wasn't getting into the matter of whether he should or shouldn't let some unrelated woman sit in his house and pay his mortgage so his kids could inherit even more equity than they would if a sale were forced as a result of his death.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/10/2024 14:54

@Everythingwillbeokk

Someone upthread mentioned the possibility of an OW. I really don't think so. His 'golden goddess' is money and securing HIS finances. So unless he's found some rich babe who is showering him with coin, he's going to operate under the premise that the bird in the hand (you) is worth holding on to. He's 'sure' of you and thinks he has you under his thumb (more fool him!), I really don't think he's going to go looking and risk spoiling that.

If he's acting like all is back to 'his idea of normal', good. Carry on quietly getting your ducks in a row.

As far as 'primping yourself up', do it but only for yourself. Don't do it to make him jealous or to 'see what he's missing'. That's just another way of wanting to see how much he cares which shows how much you still care. You need to be aiming for indifference. That's where you don't care if or how much he cares. Hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. So strive for indifference.

Mix56 · 01/10/2024 14:54

actually, he sounds like a complete pig. You pay for the holiday, but never allowed a window seat is a tiny example, but speaks volumes.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 14:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2024 19:48

Phew! Glad to hear it!

It's a shame that he couldn't find a way to meet you in the middle and offer you the commitment you want whilst also making sure his kids' future is protected, but it is what it is.

You might also want to think about whether getting married would really be in your own children's interests, especially if you're due to have a large inheritance.

Anyway, I hope you manage to sort out somewhere to live soon!

To me, it sounds like the only time the dickhead ever wavered was when he thought he could get his paws on more of her money. He knew she wasn't money focused, but HE always was. His and hers is what he wanted.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 01/10/2024 14:47

smalltoe · 29/09/2024 19:40

@Naunet
Earning more does NOT make you the breadwinner unless that extra money is being spent financing all the household and raising all the dc and the OP only referred to a vehicle. There was no mention of the OP financially supporting his dc. She pays around half of bills and rent. Thats not supporting anyone else. ^

Simply earning more but say saving it in a personal savings account would not for example make one the breadwinner. Breadwinner means financially supporting not just earning more.
^
The OP has since come back and said she is supporting his dc but that was said after I commented. She hasn't detailed how she supports the other dc

I'm sorry, but have I missed your apology to the OP? It was VERY clear that she was paying towards a LOT more than the dickhead. The fact that she earns so much more but yet, only has a small deposit makes that perfectly clear for those with common sense and basic math.

I hope the OP updates us when she moves out and when he realizes his free holidays, take-aways, treats and are bye-bye.

OP--thank you for being logical and level-headed. he wanted it ALL and wasn't willing to share. I feel he actually thought you'd be a push-over and obviously though you were at his beck and call. I hope the dickhead has fun cleaning his house and cleaning up after his kids. I hope you don't plan to give him a penny more from this day forward. Make him buy and prepare his own food, do his own laundry and clean up after himself. It's the least he deserves.

lololulu · 01/10/2024 14:41

@Startinganew32

Yes I should have probably said "some"

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