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Trying not to blow up at my mother

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MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 08:47

This is largely a rant, but advice is very welcome.

My mother is very emotionally immature and in my 20s/early 30s I didn't speak to her much. More recently (I'm in my 40s) I decided to accept her as she is, she's mellowed out a lot and we've manage to build a pretty good relationship. We don't live in the same country but we chat fairly often and see each other a few times a year.

She has a big birthday coming up next year, so I've been talking to my sister (who lives in the same country as I) about organising something for that. I've spoken to my mother and asked her if she'd like a party in her town, or if she'd like everyone in the immediate family to go away on a trip. Response was 'oh I don't want a party,' and she was keen a trip, so, trip it is.

The problem is that at a previous significant birthday we were told no parties, then my other sister (who is a horrible being) organised a party without telling me and my (not horrible) sister. There is a 'lovely' photo from that party of all the extended family with me and my sister and our husbands/children excluded. As you can imagine, neither of us was happy about this. My mother said nothing about it because she ignores my horrible sister's behaviour due to aforementioned emotional immaturity.

I can see my horrible sister doing the same thing again - there has already been talk of 'something small' being organised. Or if she doesn't do it, I can see one of my mother's sisters (who are genuinely nice people) organising something low-key and last-minute which means my sister and I won't be invited.

So I have a few options - lovely sister and I organise a party, even though my mother says she doesn't want one, to short-circuit a situation where my horrible sister organises something without us.

Let go of the whole party thing and just do the trip and accept that there will be another extended family photo without me and my lovely sister and our families.

Try to talk to my mother about this. This is the worst option as she is incapable of discussing anything.

I know there's probably no good way out of this. It's surprising me how much it's upsetting me - I think years of accepting low-level crappy behaviour are coming back to haunt me. Thankfully my (not horrible) sister is an angel - without her I'd probably lose my shit entirely.

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ManhattanPopcorn · 29/09/2024 12:18

You don't live in the same country. You can't expect to be invited to low key last minute things. Do your trip and accept that other things will happen without you. It's the price of living in different countries.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 29/09/2024 12:18

BlueJayCailin · 29/09/2024 09:23

Id organise a party then. Doesn’t have to be a big thing but if everyone is coming over for drinks and cake while you’re home then it spikes horrible sister’s guns, and you get to see your aunts!

you could link it in with the trip - fly home Thursday, have surprise drinks and cake Friday night, then go somewhere for the trip.

Great idea. You can meet your mum at home before the trip and use as an excuse to see family. Even if your kids aren’t there it means your horrible sister doesn’t get to exclude you.

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 12:16

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:08

Genuine question - say you were turning 60 and your DD threw you a party with all your siblings, nieces nephews etc and you asked where your DS was and she said she didn't invite him - would you be fine with that?

Well if my DS lived in a different country and I already had plans to see him on a lovely trip I would assume he didn’t have enough leave/money to make two trips.
I don’t expect my children to arrange their lives around me. I’m not like these bridezillas who want guests to travel across the world for their wedding and a separate hen party.
Sorry if your mum will kick off at you not attending any party along with your trip.

Maria1979 · 29/09/2024 12:15

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:30

Because these are the only photos with the whole family (including my gran who is now very ill) in them. My cousins, my cousins' children, the whole lot. Except us.

If it's important to you then do the party. Your mum will be happy and so will you. The vile sister not so much but that's just a bonus.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:14

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 11:28

But I assume your children are still under 18?
I wouldn’t let me 12 year old Dd exclude her 9 year old brother but it’s a different matter when they are adults. At 18 she can’t take her 15 year old brother down the pub to celebrate.
It gets even more ridiculous if you say you are in your 40’s. At what age do you stop expecting mummy to sort out your disagreements?

To clarify I would never expect to be invited to a party my sister was throwing for herself - we don't even speak to each other. I'm not expecting my mummy to sort my disagreements, but I do want to be invited to a celebration of a big birthday of hers. I think it's normal for someone's children to be invited to their significant birthdays.

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flippytheseptember · 29/09/2024 12:12

i would organise the trip and tell the naughty sister you want to be invited in advance in case she throws a party so you make travel arrangements. no further discussion, just calmly make her aware.. anything past that is our of your control really.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:08

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 11:28

But I assume your children are still under 18?
I wouldn’t let me 12 year old Dd exclude her 9 year old brother but it’s a different matter when they are adults. At 18 she can’t take her 15 year old brother down the pub to celebrate.
It gets even more ridiculous if you say you are in your 40’s. At what age do you stop expecting mummy to sort out your disagreements?

Genuine question - say you were turning 60 and your DD threw you a party with all your siblings, nieces nephews etc and you asked where your DS was and she said she didn't invite him - would you be fine with that?

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hideawayforever · 29/09/2024 12:00

5128gap · 29/09/2024 09:40

Why I'm earth would there be any danger of you 'blowing up' at your mother? From what you've said the woman is minding her own business while her daughters variously organise things for her, scheme and compete about who's thing will be best and who to exclude. In all honesty she isn't the one who's coming across as emotionally immature in your post. You have agreed with her to do a trip so do your trip. If someone else decides to do a party there's nothing you can do about it. If they decide not to ask you, then it's them you should speak to (if you must blow up!) I can quite understand why your mother would go along with it for a quiet life.... You're adults and the days when she should get between your squabbles should really be behind her.

yes I agree with this. Your mother's being put in the middle.

Fraaahnces · 29/09/2024 11:29

Bloody hell! Don’t go with horrible sister

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 11:28

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:45

I think this is a fair comment. The way I feel about it, my mother knows what my sister does is awful but she does nothing about it, which makes me feels she doesn't give a shit about me and my other sister. If one of my children organised a birthday party without inviting the other I'd be so pissed at them - in fact they wouldn't do it because they'd know how much it would bother me. But my mother just ignores it. If I blew up at her it wouldn't really be about the party, it'd be about never addressing anything. I know it'd do no good, which is why I'm trying to avoid it.

But I assume your children are still under 18?
I wouldn’t let me 12 year old Dd exclude her 9 year old brother but it’s a different matter when they are adults. At 18 she can’t take her 15 year old brother down the pub to celebrate.
It gets even more ridiculous if you say you are in your 40’s. At what age do you stop expecting mummy to sort out your disagreements?

MrsClatterbuck · 29/09/2024 11:26

PullTheBricksDown · 29/09/2024 10:53

Bring this out into the open then. Say to your aunts and other relatives 'if Horrible Sister invites you to a party for mum this time, could you pass on the details? Last time she didn't tell us and when we found out it was too late to arrange childcare to come'. Make what's going on clear to others, rather than worrying that they'll think the worst of you because they don't know.

I would do this and arrive at the party and surprise your mum. Once you have the information you could be a bit vague about coming or would at least one aunt keep your coming a secret and keep you updated if any changes. It would certainly take the wind out of your sisters sails.

Mmhmmn · 29/09/2024 11:09

This -

Let go of the whole party thing and just do the trip and accept that there will be another extended family photo without me and my lovely sister and our families.

Don't organise something your mum said she doesn’t want. You can’t control things around your other sister’s behaviour. Better to choose to let it go than contrive to get in there earlier with an unwanted party. Don’t get roped in to mad behaviour.

Outofthere · 29/09/2024 11:06

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:30

Because these are the only photos with the whole family (including my gran who is now very ill) in them. My cousins, my cousins' children, the whole lot. Except us.

If your sister hadn’t organised the party, as originally planned, these pictures wouldn’t exist. I’m not criticising, I’m just wondering if reframing this part of the upset might help.

Could you and your sister organise a family picture to mark her birthday in addition to the trip? Then you all come away with something to be treasured.

PullTheBricksDown · 29/09/2024 10:53

Bring this out into the open then. Say to your aunts and other relatives 'if Horrible Sister invites you to a party for mum this time, could you pass on the details? Last time she didn't tell us and when we found out it was too late to arrange childcare to come'. Make what's going on clear to others, rather than worrying that they'll think the worst of you because they don't know.

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 10:49

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 10:03

My sister is objectively horrible. She has abused multiple partners, she bullied my other sister relentlessly even though she was nearly ten years older than her (think 12 year old taunting and goading a 3 year old into hysterics, daily, while my parents pretend nothing is happening) and she treats my mother like shit.

I am being immature about this, I agree, because this is my mom and I only have one. Wanting to celebrate with her isn't too much to expect. I have accepted she doesn't care about me to a certain extent but it's hard to keep going with that indefinitely. Sometimes I just feel really upset about it.

But you ARE celebrating with her

And as horrible sister is a bully who you are all afraid of, why expect your elderly mother to be any different?

theentireroom · 29/09/2024 10:45

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:26

Part of the reason she organised it was so she could exclude me and my sister. She still mentions it now and again, she's very happy with herself.

So let her? Just assume you’re not going and let it go. It’s too toxic.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 10:20

I do try to be the bigger person and rise above and all that but I am human and at times it gets really exhausting.

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MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 10:13

thepariscrimefiles · 29/09/2024 10:09

Why did your mother allow your 12 year old sister to goad and taunt a 3 year old? That is such poor parenting. It seems as though that dynamic has continued to adulthood and I would pull back from your mother if possible as she will never treat you and your younger sister fairly.

Because she didn't know how to deal with it, so she just ignored it. My dad barely noticed (he's another issues entirely!). I have pulled back from her to a certain extent (I moved country originally to help with pulling away) but I have tried to build some sort of relationship with her. It's hard to just cut her off completely - regardless of how poor her parenting skills are she's still my mom. But really this a continuation of the same dynamic, you're right.

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Doingmybest12 · 29/09/2024 10:12

You can't keep doing this to yourself, large family get together are fraught and stressful at the best of times, you cant bend over backwards like this only to be feel let down and rejected. . If you want to see your mum, visit the country , take her for a quiet meal or something. The effort of that is enough. See the aunts and cousins you get on with separately if you want. Reduce contact with the other people. Take control of what you want.

thepariscrimefiles · 29/09/2024 10:09

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 10:03

My sister is objectively horrible. She has abused multiple partners, she bullied my other sister relentlessly even though she was nearly ten years older than her (think 12 year old taunting and goading a 3 year old into hysterics, daily, while my parents pretend nothing is happening) and she treats my mother like shit.

I am being immature about this, I agree, because this is my mom and I only have one. Wanting to celebrate with her isn't too much to expect. I have accepted she doesn't care about me to a certain extent but it's hard to keep going with that indefinitely. Sometimes I just feel really upset about it.

Why did your mother allow your 12 year old sister to goad and taunt a 3 year old? That is such poor parenting. It seems as though that dynamic has continued to adulthood and I would pull back from your mother if possible as she will never treat you and your younger sister fairly.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 10:03

Ohcrap082024 · 29/09/2024 09:50

I think this post is very good. Blunt but sometimes home truths have to be. Your mother does not need to call out your sister. There can be multiple celebrations. Accept that you and your dsis do not get on and as grown adults, this is fine.

You are very quick to call your own mother “emotionally immature” and your own sister “horrible” and “not right in the head”. It would be interesting to know what your aunts think about the whole situation.

I am one of 3 sisters and the relationships are complicated for all sorts of reasons. But as grown women, we keep mum out of it as much as possible. I suggest that you do the same.

My sister is objectively horrible. She has abused multiple partners, she bullied my other sister relentlessly even though she was nearly ten years older than her (think 12 year old taunting and goading a 3 year old into hysterics, daily, while my parents pretend nothing is happening) and she treats my mother like shit.

I am being immature about this, I agree, because this is my mom and I only have one. Wanting to celebrate with her isn't too much to expect. I have accepted she doesn't care about me to a certain extent but it's hard to keep going with that indefinitely. Sometimes I just feel really upset about it.

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Cobblersorchard · 29/09/2024 09:53

If you live in another country, regardless of all the baggage and other issues, you have to accept that they will do things you can’t attend.

Let it go.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:51

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 09:47

It's her birthday, not yours.

Do the trip she wants and make it special and let everyone else crack on

Is 'horrible' sister coming on the trip?

And it's ok for your mum to have more than one celebration.

Horrible sister will come on the trip unfortunately. If we left her out we'd get it in the neck.

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Ohcrap082024 · 29/09/2024 09:50

5128gap · 29/09/2024 09:40

Why I'm earth would there be any danger of you 'blowing up' at your mother? From what you've said the woman is minding her own business while her daughters variously organise things for her, scheme and compete about who's thing will be best and who to exclude. In all honesty she isn't the one who's coming across as emotionally immature in your post. You have agreed with her to do a trip so do your trip. If someone else decides to do a party there's nothing you can do about it. If they decide not to ask you, then it's them you should speak to (if you must blow up!) I can quite understand why your mother would go along with it for a quiet life.... You're adults and the days when she should get between your squabbles should really be behind her.

I think this post is very good. Blunt but sometimes home truths have to be. Your mother does not need to call out your sister. There can be multiple celebrations. Accept that you and your dsis do not get on and as grown adults, this is fine.

You are very quick to call your own mother “emotionally immature” and your own sister “horrible” and “not right in the head”. It would be interesting to know what your aunts think about the whole situation.

I am one of 3 sisters and the relationships are complicated for all sorts of reasons. But as grown women, we keep mum out of it as much as possible. I suggest that you do the same.

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 09:47

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 08:47

This is largely a rant, but advice is very welcome.

My mother is very emotionally immature and in my 20s/early 30s I didn't speak to her much. More recently (I'm in my 40s) I decided to accept her as she is, she's mellowed out a lot and we've manage to build a pretty good relationship. We don't live in the same country but we chat fairly often and see each other a few times a year.

She has a big birthday coming up next year, so I've been talking to my sister (who lives in the same country as I) about organising something for that. I've spoken to my mother and asked her if she'd like a party in her town, or if she'd like everyone in the immediate family to go away on a trip. Response was 'oh I don't want a party,' and she was keen a trip, so, trip it is.

The problem is that at a previous significant birthday we were told no parties, then my other sister (who is a horrible being) organised a party without telling me and my (not horrible) sister. There is a 'lovely' photo from that party of all the extended family with me and my sister and our husbands/children excluded. As you can imagine, neither of us was happy about this. My mother said nothing about it because she ignores my horrible sister's behaviour due to aforementioned emotional immaturity.

I can see my horrible sister doing the same thing again - there has already been talk of 'something small' being organised. Or if she doesn't do it, I can see one of my mother's sisters (who are genuinely nice people) organising something low-key and last-minute which means my sister and I won't be invited.

So I have a few options - lovely sister and I organise a party, even though my mother says she doesn't want one, to short-circuit a situation where my horrible sister organises something without us.

Let go of the whole party thing and just do the trip and accept that there will be another extended family photo without me and my lovely sister and our families.

Try to talk to my mother about this. This is the worst option as she is incapable of discussing anything.

I know there's probably no good way out of this. It's surprising me how much it's upsetting me - I think years of accepting low-level crappy behaviour are coming back to haunt me. Thankfully my (not horrible) sister is an angel - without her I'd probably lose my shit entirely.

It's her birthday, not yours.

Do the trip she wants and make it special and let everyone else crack on

Is 'horrible' sister coming on the trip?

And it's ok for your mum to have more than one celebration.