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Trying not to blow up at my mother

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MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 08:47

This is largely a rant, but advice is very welcome.

My mother is very emotionally immature and in my 20s/early 30s I didn't speak to her much. More recently (I'm in my 40s) I decided to accept her as she is, she's mellowed out a lot and we've manage to build a pretty good relationship. We don't live in the same country but we chat fairly often and see each other a few times a year.

She has a big birthday coming up next year, so I've been talking to my sister (who lives in the same country as I) about organising something for that. I've spoken to my mother and asked her if she'd like a party in her town, or if she'd like everyone in the immediate family to go away on a trip. Response was 'oh I don't want a party,' and she was keen a trip, so, trip it is.

The problem is that at a previous significant birthday we were told no parties, then my other sister (who is a horrible being) organised a party without telling me and my (not horrible) sister. There is a 'lovely' photo from that party of all the extended family with me and my sister and our husbands/children excluded. As you can imagine, neither of us was happy about this. My mother said nothing about it because she ignores my horrible sister's behaviour due to aforementioned emotional immaturity.

I can see my horrible sister doing the same thing again - there has already been talk of 'something small' being organised. Or if she doesn't do it, I can see one of my mother's sisters (who are genuinely nice people) organising something low-key and last-minute which means my sister and I won't be invited.

So I have a few options - lovely sister and I organise a party, even though my mother says she doesn't want one, to short-circuit a situation where my horrible sister organises something without us.

Let go of the whole party thing and just do the trip and accept that there will be another extended family photo without me and my lovely sister and our families.

Try to talk to my mother about this. This is the worst option as she is incapable of discussing anything.

I know there's probably no good way out of this. It's surprising me how much it's upsetting me - I think years of accepting low-level crappy behaviour are coming back to haunt me. Thankfully my (not horrible) sister is an angel - without her I'd probably lose my shit entirely.

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Findinganewme · 02/10/2024 19:57

You acknowledge that your sister is irrational and you don’t like her, yet you are considering having a party for your mum, to one up your disliked sister?

ask yourself why you are making such decisions. What is the purpose of this celebration? Your mum? Or to stick the finger up at your sister?

I would hope that the intention is to celebrate your mother and if that’s by having a trip, then do that. You then need to manage your feelings of jealousy and exclusion. If your relations are celebrating in a different country, then that’s just a product of your distance, maybe. That should be OK.

Swiftie1878 · 02/10/2024 08:25

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:40

It wouldn't be hard to find a date when we could go - it doesn't have to be on her exact birthday.

My mother has said not one word about the previous party - if I mentioned it to her she would probably change the subject or try to imply I'm being stupid.

Your mum doesn’t seem too bothered by parties - she has chosen a trip over a party with you.
Maybe to her it’s simply no big deal? You live in a different country, so you have chosen to distance yourself geographically from your family. It’s completely normal that they get on with life while you’re not there. What seems to you as a BIG celebration was perhaps to them a thrown together gathering of those who live locally? Lovely that so many could make it, nice photos etc, but nothing to do with the children who live abroad.

Honestly, you’re giving this too much thought. You are celebrating with your mum the way you and she have chosen to. Let the rest of your family in their country of residence do what they like. It’s nothing to do with you.

Amybelle88 · 29/09/2024 23:50

Organise your trip and go on that - enjoy it and let them organise a party if they see fit.

That way, you're still getting to celebrate with your mum.

With all due respect, and please don't take this as a dig cos it genuinely isn't (and your sister sounds like a dickhead), they also have no duty to arrange around you and nice sister as it's your mums birthday. You have a trip planned, and can either make the party, or you can't, it's surplus as you're already celebrating.

Get a picture on your trip, fuck their party and leave them to it.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 13:40

sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 13:37

You will never get a date that suits everyone. Tbh if a family member has a big birthday coming up I generally ask if there are any plans, any dates I need to keep clear and so on. Especially if there is travel involved.

That's what I would do - I'd say it's pretty standard. I know dates can't suit everyone, but trying to plan so family members can make it is fairly normal I would say. Not even telling people a party is happening is the whole other end of the scale.

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sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 13:37

You will never get a date that suits everyone. Tbh if a family member has a big birthday coming up I generally ask if there are any plans, any dates I need to keep clear and so on. Especially if there is travel involved.

Harassedevictee · 29/09/2024 13:37

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 09:30

Because these are the only photos with the whole family (including my gran who is now very ill) in them. My cousins, my cousins' children, the whole lot. Except us.

This for me is a key factor, along with the fact the two of you live abroad. I would organise a party, frame it as a family party for everyone to get together as the wider family never all get together. Then have a cake for your Mum you can bring out.

You know your Sister will do a party and exclude you so preempt her.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 13:23

ThinWomansBrain · 29/09/2024 13:08

Your DM is emotionally immature?
You are in your mid 40s witting about nice sister/horrible sister.
You don't get that someone might say they don't want a fuss or a party, they might mean it, but if a surprise party is organised, they might actually enjoy it, or at the very least go along with it with good grace?
You've decided to move overseas, but still expect every family gathering to revolve around you?
I think it's probably you that needs to grow up

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You are in your mid 40s witting about nice sister/horrible sister.
Because I can't use their names and this way of speaking about them is relevant to what I'm talking about. As I said, horrible sister is abusive. I don't know how else to express it but maybe you think I'm lying for some reason?
You don't get that someone might say they don't want a fuss or a party, they might mean it, but if a surprise party is organised, they might actually enjoy it, or at the very least go along with it with good grace?
I don't know why you think I don't get this. Maybe it was something I said?

You've decided to move overseas, but still expect every family gathering to revolve around you?
No, I don't. I hope that changes your mind on that one.

I think it's probably you that needs to grow up
I don't generally talk to people like this and I don't usually take advice from people who speak like this. Sorry if this advice was well meant and I'm focusing too much on the tone/words.

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ThinWomansBrain · 29/09/2024 13:08

Your DM is emotionally immature?
You are in your mid 40s witting about nice sister/horrible sister.
You don't get that someone might say they don't want a fuss or a party, they might mean it, but if a surprise party is organised, they might actually enjoy it, or at the very least go along with it with good grace?
You've decided to move overseas, but still expect every family gathering to revolve around you?
I think it's probably you that needs to grow up

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 13:01

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 12:55

Because she doesn't want the row?

She doesn't want to discuss my sister's behaviour. She knows it's horrendous, but she can't deal with it so she doesn't. TBH the person she's let down the most is my horrible sister - she is extraordinarily dysfunctional, partly because my parents never dealt with her behaviour.

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MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 13:00

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 12:54

But you all live in the same country?

Just make sure you have lovely photos from the trip

I wouldn't care if my DS lived a thousand miles away - I'd expect my DD to at least invite him. I can't imagine having a big family celebration and basically acting like my DS doesn't exist.

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RandomMess · 29/09/2024 12:55

This is ridiculous.

Contact the wider family, say you are organising a slightly belated birthday party for the whole extended family on X date as you were disappointed to not be invited last time.

Ask the Aunts if they could help by arranging xyz.

Take mother for trip as well.

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 12:55

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:40

It wouldn't be hard to find a date when we could go - it doesn't have to be on her exact birthday.

My mother has said not one word about the previous party - if I mentioned it to her she would probably change the subject or try to imply I'm being stupid.

Because she doesn't want the row?

Nanny0gg · 29/09/2024 12:54

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:22

Fair enough - I wouldn't be happy if my DD organised a big birthday party for me and didn't tell my DS about it. I'd consider it very mean.

But you all live in the same country?

Just make sure you have lovely photos from the trip

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:51

sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 12:48

It doesn't have to be her exact birthday but most people celebrate with a big party on the weekend either before or after their birthday. Surely if that doesn't work because you are in a different country you do something special when you can get together. I really wouldn't be expecting all the family to wait for a time suitable for 2 members. I would however expect them to be invited so they can make the choice of whether that date works for them.

You would go ahead and have a big family birthday party without your adult children because they can't make the weekend before or after your birthday? What if others couldn't make those weekends? Would you just go ahead and have it regardless of who could attend? (Sorry about all the questions - I'm interested because generally I plan parties around the people I would like to have there, not around specific dates).

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sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 12:48

It doesn't have to be her exact birthday but most people celebrate with a big party on the weekend either before or after their birthday. Surely if that doesn't work because you are in a different country you do something special when you can get together. I really wouldn't be expecting all the family to wait for a time suitable for 2 members. I would however expect them to be invited so they can make the choice of whether that date works for them.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:40

hideawayforever · 29/09/2024 12:39

but if your mums birthday, therefore party is in school time, you wouldn't be able to go anyway.

What does your mum say to you about it all?
I would be letting the Aunties know that you knew nothing about the party and didnt get an invite.

It wouldn't be hard to find a date when we could go - it doesn't have to be on her exact birthday.

My mother has said not one word about the previous party - if I mentioned it to her she would probably change the subject or try to imply I'm being stupid.

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hideawayforever · 29/09/2024 12:39

but if your mums birthday, therefore party is in school time, you wouldn't be able to go anyway.

What does your mum say to you about it all?
I would be letting the Aunties know that you knew nothing about the party and didnt get an invite.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:33

sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 12:30

Well I wouldn't be happy if one child even an adult one hadn't been invited but other than saying that isn't very nice to exclude your sister X what would you want your
Mum to do. Walk out of the party. Say sorry rest of extended family who have all made arrangements to come to my celebration but I am not going?
And tbh if the last party for your Mum was a big birthday then presumably you have been harbouring these feelings for 9 years. Or maybe 4 if you celebrate 65. Just let it go. You can't control your sisters actions but you can control your response to them. See your Mum and extended family at different times

I'd expect her to acknowledge my sister's behaviour at the very least, but I know she can't do that, so I'm stuck with what I've got. Which I know I can't change, but that doesn't mean I feel ok with it.

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Dweetfidilove · 29/09/2024 12:33

You've asked, and you mom's agreed to a trip. What happens if you find out there is a party being organised?

Do you cancel the trip that she actually wants, to attend a party she says she doesn't want?

There's no blowing up necessary here. You've decided to accept her for who she is so you can have a relationship with her. You cannot, however, make your horrible sister or lovely aunt plan a party in advance and give you notice - those are outside your control.

FOMO is something you have to manage when you live away from the rest of your family as well.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 29/09/2024 12:30

Well I wouldn't be happy if one child even an adult one hadn't been invited but other than saying that isn't very nice to exclude your sister X what would you want your
Mum to do. Walk out of the party. Say sorry rest of extended family who have all made arrangements to come to my celebration but I am not going?
And tbh if the last party for your Mum was a big birthday then presumably you have been harbouring these feelings for 9 years. Or maybe 4 if you celebrate 65. Just let it go. You can't control your sisters actions but you can control your response to them. See your Mum and extended family at different times

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:24

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 29/09/2024 12:23

You’re not answering the question though. “You’d assume he didn’t have leave/money to come to both events”. But what if he wasn’t even given the option to attend the family gathering? Thats rude, right?

In the situation I'm talking about I wasn't even told the party was happening - I only knew when I saw the photos afterwards.

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 29/09/2024 12:23

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 12:16

Well if my DS lived in a different country and I already had plans to see him on a lovely trip I would assume he didn’t have enough leave/money to make two trips.
I don’t expect my children to arrange their lives around me. I’m not like these bridezillas who want guests to travel across the world for their wedding and a separate hen party.
Sorry if your mum will kick off at you not attending any party along with your trip.

You’re not answering the question though. “You’d assume he didn’t have leave/money to come to both events”. But what if he wasn’t even given the option to attend the family gathering? Thats rude, right?

RandomMess · 29/09/2024 12:22

You want to be part of a big family party so organise one.

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:22

Fairyliz · 29/09/2024 12:16

Well if my DS lived in a different country and I already had plans to see him on a lovely trip I would assume he didn’t have enough leave/money to make two trips.
I don’t expect my children to arrange their lives around me. I’m not like these bridezillas who want guests to travel across the world for their wedding and a separate hen party.
Sorry if your mum will kick off at you not attending any party along with your trip.

Fair enough - I wouldn't be happy if my DD organised a big birthday party for me and didn't tell my DS about it. I'd consider it very mean.

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 29/09/2024 12:20

MoMhathair · 29/09/2024 12:08

Genuine question - say you were turning 60 and your DD threw you a party with all your siblings, nieces nephews etc and you asked where your DS was and she said she didn't invite him - would you be fine with that?

I think most normal people would be upset at that. And in most families it just wouldn’t happen!

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