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To think my elderly DM is being scammed via O2?

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head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 08:28

DM is in the UK and I am overseas. We normally talk for free over WhatsApp. She was in hospital a couple of months ago and couldn't get anyone to help her connect to the internet, so she was using her normal mobile phone service with O2 to call me and send texts. This left her with a bill of £1,700 for the 2 weeks she was in hospital.

Since she has been out of hospital, she has been using WhatsApp again. However, she just received another O2 bill for £4,200!

We can't get through to anyone to help. Mum doesn't have an online account so the phone is the only way to contact them, but no one is answering.

She is also randomly getting bills from Talk Talk, who she doesn't have an account with. My only thought is that they have bought out Shell Energy who she used to have her internet with, but I can't confirm this.

Something is up and I need to get to the bottom of it. Mum is getting so distressed about it all. I think she is being scammed as none of this makes sense. AIBU and can anybody help? Thanks.

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ClaredeBear · 29/09/2024 20:42

Can you get her on a pay as you go (you can top it up as and when) and stop her DD and negotiate a payment agreement.

Createausername1970 · 29/09/2024 20:29

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 08:50

@MisfitMagpie oh blimey, that's a point! I thought WhatsApp automatically went through the internet, not your mobile? We have been using WhatsApp for years. This problem only started when Mum went into hospital.

I went away for a few days and when I came back home my phone didn't automatically connect back on to my home WiFi. So all my whatsapping, Wordling, internet, Mumsnet etc., every day was chomping through my data.

I have a cap and I got a message to say I had used my monthly allowance and data usage would be charged for at such and such rate.

I generally now have my mobile data option turned off to avoid it happening again.

DreamW3aver · 29/09/2024 20:25

Allthehorsesintheworld · 29/09/2024 20:21

Get her a new Sim and cut off O2? Lots of cheap no contract sims like GiffGaff, Lebara, Tesco mobile.

It doesn't sound like there is any way to get the mum to be able to navigate the physical process or the admin of changing a sim card. Coping with a relative with dementia is so hard when you're nearby I can't imagine how difficult it must be from another country

Allthehorsesintheworld · 29/09/2024 20:21

Get her a new Sim and cut off O2? Lots of cheap no contract sims like GiffGaff, Lebara, Tesco mobile.

Floatlikeafeather2 · 29/09/2024 20:17

Karatema · 29/09/2024 09:13

Every business has a duty of care to vulnerable customers!

Ideally, yes, I agree they should but I don't think O2 offer a specific one and I don't know how they could administer it. Unlike all the utilities, which do offer a way of registering for such a service should you wish to, I've never been offered it by O2. Nor have I ever been asked by them how old I am.

Chillimuma · 29/09/2024 13:58

So she’s clearly not using WiFi but using costly mobile data.

Baconking · 29/09/2024 12:47

You need to set up online accounts for all of your mum's bills to your own email so you're able to look at stuff like this.

You also need to speak to her local council to set up care and support if you don't have a family member near her to help

sunsetsandboardwalks · 29/09/2024 12:22

TSMWEL · 29/09/2024 11:29

I'm on o2 the data is capped you can't go over your allowance so it's not that. You can also put a spend cap on your account.

Google o2 access for all, there's some info on there about vulnerable customers and a WhatsApp number you or your mum can use to contact someone. I've used it before for an elderly neighbour and they were really helpful

It depends entirely on your contract - on many of them, you have X amount of minutes/data included but once you go over that, you're charged at "standard rate" for anything else.

I'm with o2 and had to specifically set up a spending limit of "0" so that once my inclusive minutes/data are used up, that's it - I can't get more unless I specifically ring or text and ask for it.

Mirabai · 29/09/2024 11:55

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 09:49

It really is @StillCreatingAName. She's a housebound pensioner with dementia. She has no money. We can't help either, as we can barely pay our own phone bill.

Dementia + mobile is a liability OP. It’s amazing she can still use it at all but she won’t be able to indefinitely. You need to get her a landline with an ordinary phone. Some businesses specialise in phone lines for elderly.

Mirabai · 29/09/2024 11:52

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 08:49

This is the number I am calling: +44 7860 980 202.

That’s for business customer service.

Nannyoggapple · 29/09/2024 11:37

TSMWEL · 29/09/2024 11:29

I'm on o2 the data is capped you can't go over your allowance so it's not that. You can also put a spend cap on your account.

Google o2 access for all, there's some info on there about vulnerable customers and a WhatsApp number you or your mum can use to contact someone. I've used it before for an elderly neighbour and they were really helpful

All plans are different.

As you can see another poster above wrote that her boyfriend had an O2 plan,

it wasn't capped,

And when he went outside of his allowed data, he was charged a huge amount.

TSMWEL · 29/09/2024 11:29

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 08:58

@IsitaHatOrACat she's in the East End.
@sunsetsandboardwalks I will look into a spend cap for the future, thanks.

I'm on o2 the data is capped you can't go over your allowance so it's not that. You can also put a spend cap on your account.

Google o2 access for all, there's some info on there about vulnerable customers and a WhatsApp number you or your mum can use to contact someone. I've used it before for an elderly neighbour and they were really helpful

IsitaHatOrACat · 29/09/2024 11:19

Age UK in some areas have digital help workers. Might be worth contacting the national Age uk number in the morning to see if they have anyone local.
Do you have POA set up for your mum? If not it would be a good idea to get it sorted ASAP

Catpuss66 · 29/09/2024 11:08

I would contact SS if she has dementia, they may need to protect her. Or ring help the aged.someone needs to see her f2f.

DragonGypsyDoris · 29/09/2024 11:05

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 08:28

DM is in the UK and I am overseas. We normally talk for free over WhatsApp. She was in hospital a couple of months ago and couldn't get anyone to help her connect to the internet, so she was using her normal mobile phone service with O2 to call me and send texts. This left her with a bill of £1,700 for the 2 weeks she was in hospital.

Since she has been out of hospital, she has been using WhatsApp again. However, she just received another O2 bill for £4,200!

We can't get through to anyone to help. Mum doesn't have an online account so the phone is the only way to contact them, but no one is answering.

She is also randomly getting bills from Talk Talk, who she doesn't have an account with. My only thought is that they have bought out Shell Energy who she used to have her internet with, but I can't confirm this.

Something is up and I need to get to the bottom of it. Mum is getting so distressed about it all. I think she is being scammed as none of this makes sense. AIBU and can anybody help? Thanks.

O2, as a reputable company, would not scam a customer per se. But she might be on an expensive tariff. Of greater concern is the mobile number you are calling ostensibly to contact O2. Is that actually O2, and are the bills actually coming from O2?

Nannyoggapple · 29/09/2024 11:02

pinkstripeycat · 29/09/2024 10:42

Most contracts have a cap so they don’t allow you to spend over a certain amount. I was with O2 for years and they told me legally they have to set a low spend cap and can only raise it if you ask them

I think they ask a lot of people to set the cap themselves?

harrumphh · 29/09/2024 11:01

It's probably accurate, my boyfriend ran up a bill of £300 in just a few hours of data usage once when he had a work emergency. It was also 02 and a terrible plan he was on where he got massively overcharged once he went out of regular rates.

As it's overseas calling she's doing, if she's using data for that then yes it will cost an absolute fortune.

I agree she must still be using her mobile data rather than wi-fi.

Switch her to giffgaff, they use 02 and that way you can pay for a plan and when it's out of data it's out of data rather than them charging more.

They aren't going to warn you about what you're spending, you signed a contract and agreed to their terms. They have no clue whether someone has dementia or not, and it's not their responsibility to manage people's finances for them.

DreamW3aver · 29/09/2024 10:59

Blueblell · 29/09/2024 10:40

Most plans offer unlimited data these days and it sounds like she hasn’t switched back to WiFi after hospital stay. You could try to appeal to 02s better nature as she is vulnerable and could have been on a better data plan. (unfortunately they may not speak to you)

I would set up the online account yourself and manage it. You may need her to receive and pass on a code to you in the set up process.

Do they? Has this changed recently, when I was sorting out a contract for my youngest child we considered how much data would be needed before deciding, they certainly weren't mostly unlimited, I need to look at changing if that's the case now, even the cheaper monthly ones?

DreamW3aver · 29/09/2024 10:57

pinkstripeycat · 29/09/2024 10:42

Most contracts have a cap so they don’t allow you to spend over a certain amount. I was with O2 for years and they told me legally they have to set a low spend cap and can only raise it if you ask them

In pretty sure that when I moved to O2 I had to specifically ask for a cap and choose the amount, I don't think it was automatic

Nannyoggapple · 29/09/2024 10:44

pinkstripeycat · 29/09/2024 10:42

Most contracts have a cap so they don’t allow you to spend over a certain amount. I was with O2 for years and they told me legally they have to set a low spend cap and can only raise it if you ask them

Some plans maybe.

But I know my friend was charged a huge amount after going outside of the set minutes of her plan.

pinkstripeycat · 29/09/2024 10:42

Most contracts have a cap so they don’t allow you to spend over a certain amount. I was with O2 for years and they told me legally they have to set a low spend cap and can only raise it if you ask them

Blueblell · 29/09/2024 10:40

Most plans offer unlimited data these days and it sounds like she hasn’t switched back to WiFi after hospital stay. You could try to appeal to 02s better nature as she is vulnerable and could have been on a better data plan. (unfortunately they may not speak to you)

I would set up the online account yourself and manage it. You may need her to receive and pass on a code to you in the set up process.

curlymumof2 · 29/09/2024 10:35

Are you able to create a My O2 account and check via that.
There's an app and the online account - it gives you a breakdown of usage and bill. You will also be able to speak to someone via the chat on the app/site.

StillSeekingResponsibleAdult · 29/09/2024 10:35

If the home WiFi has changed from shell to talktalk she may need a new password to reconnect. Without WiFi she could be burning through a lot of mobile data.

Might be worth also contacting talktalk and seeing if they can help to get her reconnected?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/09/2024 10:33

head2toeinuniqlo · 29/09/2024 10:18

@Fluffyelephant I think the carer is arranged through Age Concern. We are not paying for it yet, but will be soon. I think this is the third or fourth one she's had, but none of them speak English.

I know your immediate worry is the phone but honestly that’s not acceptable at all

you should complain about that