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taking child away during school term

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marcvsnaomi · 28/09/2024 22:31

I am currently in a minor dispute with my ex about me wanting to take our child away during school term.
We both believe in our stance and i would like some honest feedback from those that are impartial so that we can take this on board and move forward.

We recently went through a break up that was far from pleasant, i wont go into the details because it is irrelevant, however, this wasn't my doing and the reason i raise this is to make you all aware that things are still raw.
Ideally, we would both do what is in the interest of our child but sometimes personal issues between us surface and make things a little more difficult than things probably should be.

Our child attends nursery. He's three years old. This is is second year that he's attended school, this is a new school with new classmates however.
His mother is his main carer. She is a stay at home parent. So our child is only at school for 15 hours a week.
He attends for 5 days so he's there for 3 hours a day. 8.30am until 11.30am.
I have him for 3 days a week, his mother for 4.
My time with him is from thursday at 5pm until Sunday at 11am, so i only take him and pick him back up from school on Friday's.

I am wanting to take him from school on Wednesday 9th October. So a day earlier than usual. I have things planned to take him away and drop him back off when i take him to school on Monday 14th October, a day later than usual.

In total i'll be having him 2 days extra.
In total he will be missing 6 hours at school.

My ex's argument for not allowing this is as follows..

He's not going on holiday during school time.. there is an upcoming holiday end of October.. why not then?
His education is more important.
He's new to school and he's settling in.
He's in a routine.

She has a meeting with school on Monday and she will be bringing this up.. she does not agree with this and i am going against her wishes.
The extra days are without her consent.

My argument is as follows..

I would take him during the holidays.. but i can't due to work commitments.
I have tried already and been rejected.
I want to take him for a specific reason.. it only happen's this time of year and the only holiday available before Christmas is unfortunately unavailable to me.

He is 3. He will be missing 6 hours. It is not a legal requirement for him to attend school at his age, and education is not just at school it can be done outside of school also, especially for a child of his age, that's why school's have school trips.. because they are clearly beneficial to a child.

I do not need her consent. It is not a legal requirement as i stated before, i have parental responsibility and we do not have set days.
There is no rota. no schedule. We tend to stick to me having him 3 n her 4 most weeks but we have always been flexible.
I do not need her consent, and she doesnt need mine either.
When she took him away it was over his birthday weekend.. his birthday was Monday.. i was at work.
I disagree'd for obvious reasons.
She did it regardless, she didn't need my consent.

I am taking him somewhere that is specifically about our child.
It is in his interest, not mine.
It is solely catered around him.. his hobbies and interests, not mine.

I believe i am doing what is best for our son, my ex also believes she is doing what is best for our son.

Need some feedback here, we both feel like we are going round in circles with this and hopefully we can resolve it amicably, rather than arguing about it.
We do not argue in person, but we do not discuss this in person either.
Our child has no idea about this or any discussions or disagreements we have had about it.
He will not be dissapointed if this does not go ahead.

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Heronwatcher · 30/09/2024 10:24

She’s ABSOLUTELY MAD! The joy of having kids in nursery is that you don’t have to stick to school holidays- you’ve got years ahead when you’ll be stuck in overpriced uk holidays because everything else is eye wateringly expensive during school holidays and you’ll be fined if you take the kids out of proper school.

We took every single one of our kids out of nursery for 2-3 weeks each year without fail.

More generally this sounds like a strange hill to die on for your ex- sounds like something else might be going on. Regardless of the emotional issues could you not grab a coffee together and try to build a few bridges- your DC is very young and you have a long road of co-parenting together.

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 10:10

Nursery is not "school" and does not have "school holidays". Many children don’t go to nursery at all and there is no requirement for them to do so. There is absolutely no reason for parents to feel they must send a child to nursery rather than take them away on holiday.

Button28384738 · 30/09/2024 09:06

Do you think your routine is quite fair though? I wouldn't want to never have my 3 year old on the weekends.
Couldn't you switch days every other week so do every other weekend?

Button28384738 · 30/09/2024 09:00

This wouldn't bother me because he is not compulsory school age yet.

I'm usually quite strict about not missing school for holidays but when your child is young enough make the most of it and have cheaper holidays is what i think!

backawayfatty1 · 30/09/2024 08:53

Missing school at 3 - not an issue
Taking him on holiday - lovely
Asking for more days for holiday - at mums discretion

RienDeRienNon · 30/09/2024 08:51

Tricky. You will be handing back a child who may be out of sorts from break in routine and the partner has to deal with it. But also, whatever you do now will set the tone for years to come. How would you feel once child is 6.7 or even 11 about time off during term time? You will have no grounds if they suddenly did this and you disagreed. Also, state pays for that time (if state nursery)so I think there’s also a respect mentality towards teaching staff to consider here.

BeastAngelMadwoman · 30/09/2024 08:41

I think the OP might be in Wales where they start school at 3 just in the mornings and it is a nursery year so still not compulsory but usually at a school setting in uniform etc and generally referred to as school.

Week01 · 29/09/2024 11:16

She is being ridiculous, but I think you've shot yourself in the foot complaining about her taking him away, so she's just doing the same now. Didn't matter that it was his "birthday weekend", there's weekends either side of mid-week. And you had him on his birthday. I think you've been daft there causing that, and now she's retaliating.

endofthelinefinally · 29/09/2024 09:30

He is 3. He doesn't legally have to be in school until he is 5. This is ridiculous.

urbanbuddha · 29/09/2024 09:25

If the holiday is something your DC wants to do I can’t understand why your ex doesn’t want him to go. That does seem unreasonable. Perhaps she’s jealous she’s not the one going with him. Maybe photos and FaceTime would help.

StarlightExpressAnswerMeYes · 29/09/2024 09:21

Nursery isn't school, it's essentially daycare. No one has to go to nursery...

Washingdamachine · 29/09/2024 09:19

The fact you call it school makes your post so annoyingly confusing.

He's 3, it's either nursery or pre school.

Not compulsory education age so I'd either take steps to start mediation if she isn't on board or apply for a child arrangements order where holiday contact is clearly outlined for each parent.

Frowningprovidence · 29/09/2024 09:15

The term time holiday at 3 is fine.

But I do think mediation and a more formal contact routine might be needed here, one based on your sons needs that is also fair to both if you around sharing weekends/school holiday time and school time.

As an aside my parents battling over my birthday and Christmas has totally ruined both events for me and I hate both days. It became all about them competing and nothing about me. So don't fall into that.

YellowAsteroid · 29/09/2024 09:03

He’s 3 !

I was fully prepared to say that YABU if your DS is in official legal schooling.

But he’s 3.

And your ex needs to prepare to start working for money outside the home if she’s using the free hours of nursery.

AmeliaEarache · 29/09/2024 03:22

This is not school. It’s nursery. No child needs to attend nursery. It’s optional.

SD1978 · 29/09/2024 03:18

This allegedly being amicable isn't going to work- you both think k you can do whatever you want, as per your post. She took him over 'your' time (which BTW- every weekend is shit for the other parent and should never be a thing- way to be able to be the fun parent constantly) so you reckon you'll juts do the same. It's ridiculous referring to this or treating 3 hrs of nursery as school, and she's being unreasonable to try to claim it interrupts education, that sounds like it's juts spiteful. A three yr old also though doesn't really have hobbies- they are three. Would he appreciate whatever this trip is more next year when he could actually remember it? Ultimately- you both need to look into at start mediation- it doesn't sound like you are able to compromise the coparenting and having it more formalised will keep it low stress.

NahNotHavingIt · 29/09/2024 00:01

lollypop42 · 28/09/2024 23:57

how nasty some
of these replies are op. your son and daughter in
law sound extremely mean. why on earth would the mother take children BACK to a place that she fled and is still very dangerous.

I hope you get to see your grandchildren soon but i'm guessing it would be hard to appease the horrible parents, and i suspect that whatever you do would
not be good enough.

I think you're on the wrong thread lol

lollypop42 · 28/09/2024 23:57

how nasty some
of these replies are op. your son and daughter in
law sound extremely mean. why on earth would the mother take children BACK to a place that she fled and is still very dangerous.

I hope you get to see your grandchildren soon but i'm guessing it would be hard to appease the horrible parents, and i suspect that whatever you do would
not be good enough.

AGoingConcern · 28/09/2024 23:43

So the answer to the narrow question you asked is that a 3 year old missing 2 days of nursery is fine.

However…

Right now you have a schedule where you get all the weekends and she gets only school nights & days. This isn’t actually a fair schedule. When she wanted to have him for one weekend (very reasonable - do you think she should never be able to have him for weekend events or outings?) you were unhappy, despite her facilitating you still having several hours with your son on his birthday (which was on one of her days).

Taking a 3 year old away from their primary caregiver for 6 days for just a jolly is also not a minor thing. While I’m sure you’ve picked something he’ll enjoy, he is 3. He doesn’t have “hobbies” and he isn’t the one wanting to go on this specific trip. You’ve deliberately chosen a long trip instead of arranging something around his schedule with his mum.

Ultimately you are both being unreasonable if you think you can carry on with no formalized custody arrangement. You’ll just continue to bicker and get in escalating power struggles, so focus on getting something more fair on paper and approved by the court.

WiserOlderElf · 28/09/2024 23:13

He’s 3. He’s not at school, he’s at nursery. The concept of ‘term time’ is irrelevant, because he’s not school age. This is all madness.

LauritaEvita · 28/09/2024 23:10

You calling it school is confusing. He’s a 3 year old so this is presumably an optional nursery that most people only use for childcare purposes while they work. I regularly take our nursery age kid out of nursery for holidays, days out or just a chill day at home (when I’ve got leave). I didn’t realise anyone thought nursery was compulsory.

Hotsweatymumsspagetti · 28/09/2024 22:51

He isn’t at school, he’s at a preschool setting and isn’t even FS1 age yet. Bloody hell make the most of the cheaper holidays and go away now

UpTheMagicFarawayTree · 28/09/2024 22:50

At 3 it will make no difference to anything. After reception year it massively does (although many on here disagree.)

The curriculum in schools is so ridiculously full that the pace has to be fast. That means in just one week away you miss loads and there really isn't time or people to help everyone catch up just for being on holiday.

Make the most of it now, before it matters.

marcvsnaomi · 28/09/2024 22:50

Reply to DinosaurMunch.
It was his birthday weekend which she spent with my child n her new partner.
I couldn't do anything with him because his birthday was monday, i was working until 5pm.
In order to take him away she had him on my days.
I missed having him a week for that to happen.
My argument was we should each get to celebrate his birthday, not just one of us, each get an opportunity to do something special with him.

She took him away, i missed a full week with him.
She had an holiday with him, i got him for a few hours on his actual birthday yes, but i was only able to give him some cake and then he had to go to bed, he had school the next day and then she collected him.

Maybe it wasn't so obvious, apologies

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TappyGilmore · 28/09/2024 22:49

Three years old and missing “school” (which isn’t school, it’s nursery) for six hours? That should absolutely not be an issue. She is just on a power trip.