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To feel uncomfortable with this man?

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PuzzleMix · 28/09/2024 22:11

I have a large, rare breed of dog which often gets other dog owners chatting to me and l have made friends with some of these people.

One guy l say hi to (him and his dog) - let's call him Tom. He's a pretty private person but he's opened up a couple of times about being a carer for his sick sister, struggling with his mental health and that his partner has recently split up with him. I have suffered with my mental health too as well as having several family members who struggle so l said if he ever fancied a chat we could go for a dog walk and a coffee.

He's met my DH when we are both with the dog, I'm happily married (as he knows) and meant this as a completely platonic thing.

So we met last week. I met him with my dog outside his house and we started setting off when Tom said he wanted to quickly show me his house and meet his sister. In my head l was thinking 'no' but as l was put on the spot l couldn't think how to politely decline, so l went in. My dog is very large so l didn’t feel scared but l did a feel a little uncomfortable. Anyway, l said hi to his sister and then Tom showed me he had coffee in the house and asked if l wanted to have one there in the kitchen. I said no because l needed to walk the dog and l then had to take a work call, so l didnt have time (which was all true but l also felt a bit uncomfortable and didn't want to sit in his house when the plan was a dog walk.) It all felt way too familiar and intimate when l really don't know Tom well at all. He said "next time" and l ignored this.

We left and walked the dogs. Stopped for a coffee and had a chat which was ok, he seems like a nice guy. There were a few things Tom said which again l felt a bit weird about - saying he'd have to cook for me one day and l can pay for the coffees next time, and a few times l felt he was looking at me a bit too long but maybe l was imagining it. He also said it was so nice talking to me and he felt a lot better about things, including his partner splitting up with him. Again this could be completely innocent. I made sure to mention my DH as much as possible and my DH knows all about me meeting him.

I told Tom about an activity l was doing the next day, he wished me good luck with it and then we both went our separate ways.

The next day he messaged me at 7am saying good luck with my activity again. I simply said thanks, and got on with my day.

The following day l woke and saw Tom had texted me at 1am(!) asking how the activity had gone. This made me feel weird...why is he thinking about me at that time of the day?! And it wasn't a particularly interesting thing l was doing - he could have just asked me next time we bumped into eachother.

I waited until that afternoon to reply and just said 'fine thanks'.

That was a few days ago but every time I've checked my messages, l have been worried what if there's another one from him. I live in a small place so will bump into Tom at any time and l now feel worried about this whenever l take the dog out. I'm starting to wish l had never suggested going for a coffee and wondering if l am too friendly for my own good! I dont know if l have given him the wrong idea or am l reading far too much into this?!

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MaybeDawn · 01/10/2024 13:19

I think @MmedeGouge has summed it up perfectly. You were being kind offering the hand of friendship but he's obviously taken it as meaning something totally different. This is where you have to be so very careful, don't offer to go for coffee with men you hardly know, especially men who have disclosed mental health problems to you and definitely don't give them your phone number, why did he even need it? Unfortunately, he's obviously taken that as encouragement. Sadly, you are leaving yourself wide open to this kind of behaviour. I am not criticising you in any way, you sound like a lovely caring person, it's other people who can misinterpret your actions. When my sister was younger, she had a Saturday job in a little gift shop. Every week a man used to call in, buy small items and eventually started to chat to her. He disclosed he had severe depression and mental health issues and she felt sorry for him as he seemed very lonely. He was a lot older than her and she never imagined he was viewing her friendliness in another way. It got to the stage where she'd make him a coffee and have a chat (it was a very relaxed "Hippy Boho" type shop). However, one day, when the shop was empty, he came behind the counter and attacked her, he said later that he thought she'd fancied him as she was so friendly. You have to distance yourself from this man, keep it to a brief hello if you see him, don't stop and chat and block him on your phone, the fact that he's messaging you so late at night is very worrying.

Errors · 01/10/2024 12:52

He fancies you OP. He doesn’t care that you’re married and probably hoped you didn’t care either. Sounds like he has stopped texting you now though so maybe he has got the hint.

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 12:43

PuzzleMix · 01/10/2024 12:37

Thank you for your comments @MarkWithaC l don't know if he fancies me or not - it has crossed my mind though and l don't want to encourage that. The last thing l want is Tom making a move on me or declaring his love for me. This may not happen of course, but sadly we have to consider a man's intentions as women.

Not sure why I'm getting most of the blame. I think a grown man should realise texting a married woman at unsocial hours and saying he could cook for me (with no mention of inviting my DH) is all a bit weird!

I agree, it all seems to be considered your fault/responsibility.
And even if he is acting in all innocence, for whatever reasons of health/circumstances, it's still not your job by default to manage the whole thing.

PuzzleMix · 01/10/2024 12:37

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 12:10

I didn't say I thought people had to be perfect Hmm Nor did I suggest he was doing anything approaching criminal.

I'll say it again: I think he probably fancies her, but I'm open to the possibility that he doesn't. I will say that for me, from life experience, this sort of behaviour often means a man fancies you. Others on here are saying the same from their ow experience. Either way, there are issues here with boundaries and yes, with socialising/social etiquette.
The OP offered 'friendship' in the sense of a sympathetic ear and some casual company. Not the kind of friendship where he messages her about fairly inconsequential things with frequency and at unsociable hours (and yes I realise that as a carer, or just out of his own personal preference and habit, he might be OK with messaging at those times; but most people realise that they are generally considered unsociable hours).

You seem very keen to criticise the OP for this situation, and are very keen on her taking full responsibility for his feelings (withdrawing gently), but it takes two; this man, whether innocently or not, is causing a situation where she may have to back off a bit, or completely withdraw her offer of a bit of sympathetic company.

Thank you for your comments @MarkWithaC l don't know if he fancies me or not - it has crossed my mind though and l don't want to encourage that. The last thing l want is Tom making a move on me or declaring his love for me. This may not happen of course, but sadly we have to consider a man's intentions as women.

Not sure why I'm getting most of the blame. I think a grown man should realise texting a married woman at unsocial hours and saying he could cook for me (with no mention of inviting my DH) is all a bit weird!

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PuzzleMix · 01/10/2024 12:29

MmedeGouge · 01/10/2024 12:05

You intended a casual acquaintance with this man. Unfortunately he misunderstood your intentions. He really should not have but he did.
Some men cannot view friendship with women in a platonic way.
I guess he was testing your boundaries by inviting you into his house and texting you late at night.
If I were you I would avoid any further contact with him.
In future if someone starts to share very personal information with you at a very early stage in your acquaintance do take care. They made need a lot more than you are prepared to offer. I have only learned this by experience and like you have had my fingers burned on occasion.
However all that being said you sound like you have a kind heart and are very well intentioned. Do not let the negative comments on here upset you. What you intended originally was very well meant. It’s unfortunate the man either accidentally or wilfully misinterpreted them.

Thank you. I'm just a friendly, open person but l am now realising that's not always a good thing.

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MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 12:10

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 11:18

Not everyone is perfect, someone who's isolated with caring responsibilities is likely a little rusty with socialising. I think OP has made many assumptions which are likely untrue. Asking someone in for coffee, and accepting when they decline, is hardly a crime and certainly doesn't mean they fancy her! He knows she has a husband.

She offered friendship and has realised she doesn't want it with this man. That's fine, but I hope she withdraws gently.

I didn't say I thought people had to be perfect Hmm Nor did I suggest he was doing anything approaching criminal.

I'll say it again: I think he probably fancies her, but I'm open to the possibility that he doesn't. I will say that for me, from life experience, this sort of behaviour often means a man fancies you. Others on here are saying the same from their ow experience. Either way, there are issues here with boundaries and yes, with socialising/social etiquette.
The OP offered 'friendship' in the sense of a sympathetic ear and some casual company. Not the kind of friendship where he messages her about fairly inconsequential things with frequency and at unsociable hours (and yes I realise that as a carer, or just out of his own personal preference and habit, he might be OK with messaging at those times; but most people realise that they are generally considered unsociable hours).

You seem very keen to criticise the OP for this situation, and are very keen on her taking full responsibility for his feelings (withdrawing gently), but it takes two; this man, whether innocently or not, is causing a situation where she may have to back off a bit, or completely withdraw her offer of a bit of sympathetic company.

MmedeGouge · 01/10/2024 12:05

You intended a casual acquaintance with this man. Unfortunately he misunderstood your intentions. He really should not have but he did.
Some men cannot view friendship with women in a platonic way.
I guess he was testing your boundaries by inviting you into his house and texting you late at night.
If I were you I would avoid any further contact with him.
In future if someone starts to share very personal information with you at a very early stage in your acquaintance do take care. They made need a lot more than you are prepared to offer. I have only learned this by experience and like you have had my fingers burned on occasion.
However all that being said you sound like you have a kind heart and are very well intentioned. Do not let the negative comments on here upset you. What you intended originally was very well meant. It’s unfortunate the man either accidentally or wilfully misinterpreted them.

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 11:18

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 11:07

He was trying it on inviting her in for coffee when they'd agreed a cafe. And sister present or not, being in someone's house is not the same as being out.

I said he 'probably' fancies her, but I'm open to the possibility that he doesn't. Yes, I agree, he lacks a feeling for social etiquette. But texting with such solicitude about something they could have talked about casually when they next bumped into each other is not just about etiquette; it's a lack of awareness of boundaries and the extent and nature of their relationship.

Not everyone is perfect, someone who's isolated with caring responsibilities is likely a little rusty with socialising. I think OP has made many assumptions which are likely untrue. Asking someone in for coffee, and accepting when they decline, is hardly a crime and certainly doesn't mean they fancy her! He knows she has a husband.

She offered friendship and has realised she doesn't want it with this man. That's fine, but I hope she withdraws gently.

Comedycook · 01/10/2024 11:09

Lots of men see ordinary friendliness as a come on. I wouldn't bother spending any more time with him.

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 11:07

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 10:59

She may well have said cafe, but he probably didn't think anything of asking her in for a coffee, and it isn't like he was alone, his sister was present too 🤨🤨

She said no, he accepted it. No harm done.

There's no indication he fancies her at all. More that he lacks social etiquette with the texting at all hours.

He was trying it on inviting her in for coffee when they'd agreed a cafe. And sister present or not, being in someone's house is not the same as being out.

I said he 'probably' fancies her, but I'm open to the possibility that he doesn't. Yes, I agree, he lacks a feeling for social etiquette. But texting with such solicitude about something they could have talked about casually when they next bumped into each other is not just about etiquette; it's a lack of awareness of boundaries and the extent and nature of their relationship.

PuzzleMix · 01/10/2024 11:06

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 08:38

Because YOU reached out a hand of friendship with a random stranger. Recognising someone from dog walking does not make a friend.

He prefers the coffee he makes so asked you in, that's not weird, he probably didn't think anything of it.

If you don't want him to be a friend, that's absolutely fine, but then don't start asking him for coffee and a chat. You're sending mixed messages. Just go back to a polite wave and think more carefully before offering friendship again.

He isn't a random stranger - we have said hello, chatted about our dogs, the weather, small snippets about our lives over the last year or so when bumping into eachother on dog walks.

I class a 'random stranger' as someone l have never seen in my life before.

Anyone who has a dog knows how lots of people get chatting to you if they also have a dog.

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FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 10:59

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 10:54

Whatever coffee he prefers, the OP's already said she specified a cafe Hmm
She didn't 'ask him for coffee and a chat', she offered it if he wanted to, as a bit of friendly support.

I think he is lonely and probably fancies you, OP, and has poor boundaries/judgement partially because of this. And I'd feel weird about it even if he were a woman, TBH (I have had a similar thing with a woman, who didn't fancy me but was clearly lonely and needy).

I don't think you need to avoid walking the dog or change routes or anything. If you want to, I think you could still say yes to the occasional coffee and chat out in public if he asks, and be friendly when you see him, but be firm in staying a little bit removed.

She may well have said cafe, but he probably didn't think anything of asking her in for a coffee, and it isn't like he was alone, his sister was present too 🤨🤨

She said no, he accepted it. No harm done.

There's no indication he fancies her at all. More that he lacks social etiquette with the texting at all hours.

MarkWithaC · 01/10/2024 10:54

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 08:38

Because YOU reached out a hand of friendship with a random stranger. Recognising someone from dog walking does not make a friend.

He prefers the coffee he makes so asked you in, that's not weird, he probably didn't think anything of it.

If you don't want him to be a friend, that's absolutely fine, but then don't start asking him for coffee and a chat. You're sending mixed messages. Just go back to a polite wave and think more carefully before offering friendship again.

Whatever coffee he prefers, the OP's already said she specified a cafe Hmm
She didn't 'ask him for coffee and a chat', she offered it if he wanted to, as a bit of friendly support.

I think he is lonely and probably fancies you, OP, and has poor boundaries/judgement partially because of this. And I'd feel weird about it even if he were a woman, TBH (I have had a similar thing with a woman, who didn't fancy me but was clearly lonely and needy).

I don't think you need to avoid walking the dog or change routes or anything. If you want to, I think you could still say yes to the occasional coffee and chat out in public if he asks, and be friendly when you see him, but be firm in staying a little bit removed.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 01/10/2024 10:41

Did he pay for the coffees you had? You mentioned he said you could pay for the coffees next time. I think you should have each bought your own but if he paid I'd say he's trying to keep things platonic by saying you can take turns paying going forward..

nope, that’s classic “pin down the next date” behaviour!

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 01/10/2024 10:39

The fact that you’re married means nothing, plenty of people have affairs, sadly, so he won’t necessarily be thinking it’s purely platonic just because he knows you’re married.

IME a certain type of man would only talk to you, help you, hold the door for you etc if they fancy you. Women they don’t find attractive are literally invisible to them. If someone pays them attention or gives them the slightest bit of attention they can only interpret it as being because the woman fancies them. They can’t imagine a world in which you pay them any attention or help them in any way unless you want to shag them.

I’d wager that this is what’s happened here. He’s taken your gesture of kindness as a come on.

You mentioned that he’s a coffee snob - it might just be that he doesn’t want to spend £3 on a shit coffee if he has good stuff at home. But equally the rest of it does just sound like he’s got a crush and is happy to have the flutters of a new burgeoning relationship (in his mind) to distract from his break up.
Lesson learned, being kind to men is not the same as being kind to women.

Note to add: not all men etc

ViciousCurrentBun · 01/10/2024 10:07

He isn’t your problem, your own boundaries are your problem.

Any gut feeling needs to be listened to. It’s a shame he is lonely, what’s happening would not be great if it was a woman either but there is the added issue he is a male.

pictoosh · 01/10/2024 09:55

I'd feel a bit cornered as well.

dontcryformeargentina · 01/10/2024 09:43

No good deeds go unpunished.. He made you feel uncomfortable- listen to your gut instinct. He is pushing your boundaries.

MorrisZapp · 01/10/2024 09:08

Oh dear. I have a friend like this, she's very empathetic and smiley, and all sorts of waifs and strays are attracted to her. It starts off with 'oh she's lonely so I said let's go for a bike ride' then it ends with 'omg I'm so drained by this person and now they want me to go on a day trip to East Kilbride but I'm sooo busy'.

Rinse and repeat, year after year. It's tough because you don't want to turn your back on a needy person but the problem is... they're needy.

Tel12 · 01/10/2024 08:58

It seems clear that he has misinterpreted your intentions. Asking him for coffee was probably a big thing for him bearing in mind his personal circumstances. You need to pull back and draw new boundaries.

Lindy2 · 01/10/2024 08:53

I think he's lonely and probably lacking in social skills a bit.

You were meeting for coffee and a chat. That's exactly what he offered. I wouldn't read anything in to offering coffee at his home.

Did he pay for the coffees you had? You mentioned he said you could pay for the coffees next time. I think you should have each bought your own but if he paid I'd say he's trying to keep things platonic by saying you can take turns paying going forward.

Does he work? Being a carer is pretty lonely at times. Being up at 1am when you care for someone with health issues is sadly pretty normal in a lot if cases. It's also a pretty lonely time to be wide awake.

It's upto you what you do but I don't see that he's done anything wrong other than grabbed at a friendship opportunity quite keenly. There's no reason not to keep chatting to him or going for coffee now and then. Just make sure you're not always available so that it stays as an occasional thing not a weekly event, if you don't want it to become a routine.

Rosebud21 · 01/10/2024 08:51

Missionimprobable · 29/09/2024 07:36

You sound like a very kind person but
he made you feel uncomfortable.
Personally, I'd try to give him a wide berth, take DH dog walking, don't go to his house again (I'm sure you don't plan to).
Don't fall into the trap of being too polite/kind to assert your boundaries.
You have instincts for a reason, trust them.

This

BrimfulofSasha · 01/10/2024 08:43

I don’t think he is creepy (just read your first message) he’s just lonely. He probably feels that as you’re married that you’re safe to be friends with as his intentions won’t be misconstrued. Poor guy. You’re totally ok to let him know your boundaries in the friendship

WildFlowerBees · 01/10/2024 08:40

It doesn't really matter that he might be lonely etc, he's overstepped a boundary. What matters is that you feel uncomfortable. Listen to that and act accordingly.

FasterMichelin · 01/10/2024 08:38

PuzzleMix · 01/10/2024 08:16

I did specify a cafe and he isn't short of cash. He prefers a different type of coffee which isn't served in regular cafes - more of a coffee snob than a man trying to save money. But l didn't feel comfortable - it felt too intimate. I think even if he had been a woman l wouldn't have had coffee in the flat. Just feels a bit too familiar to me when l don't know someone well.

We are not strangers - have been saying hi with our dogs for about a year.

As for setting him up for a fall, l'm wondering why you say that? l have many dog walking friends who l go for coffee with occasionally, or sometimes l've done it once and then not again. I don't think offering to have a coffee with someone commits you to having a close friendship, or doing it on a regular basis.

The fact that l feel uncomfortable is the gut feeling that l need to listen to.

Because YOU reached out a hand of friendship with a random stranger. Recognising someone from dog walking does not make a friend.

He prefers the coffee he makes so asked you in, that's not weird, he probably didn't think anything of it.

If you don't want him to be a friend, that's absolutely fine, but then don't start asking him for coffee and a chat. You're sending mixed messages. Just go back to a polite wave and think more carefully before offering friendship again.