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To feel uncomfortable with this man?

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PuzzleMix · 28/09/2024 22:11

I have a large, rare breed of dog which often gets other dog owners chatting to me and l have made friends with some of these people.

One guy l say hi to (him and his dog) - let's call him Tom. He's a pretty private person but he's opened up a couple of times about being a carer for his sick sister, struggling with his mental health and that his partner has recently split up with him. I have suffered with my mental health too as well as having several family members who struggle so l said if he ever fancied a chat we could go for a dog walk and a coffee.

He's met my DH when we are both with the dog, I'm happily married (as he knows) and meant this as a completely platonic thing.

So we met last week. I met him with my dog outside his house and we started setting off when Tom said he wanted to quickly show me his house and meet his sister. In my head l was thinking 'no' but as l was put on the spot l couldn't think how to politely decline, so l went in. My dog is very large so l didn’t feel scared but l did a feel a little uncomfortable. Anyway, l said hi to his sister and then Tom showed me he had coffee in the house and asked if l wanted to have one there in the kitchen. I said no because l needed to walk the dog and l then had to take a work call, so l didnt have time (which was all true but l also felt a bit uncomfortable and didn't want to sit in his house when the plan was a dog walk.) It all felt way too familiar and intimate when l really don't know Tom well at all. He said "next time" and l ignored this.

We left and walked the dogs. Stopped for a coffee and had a chat which was ok, he seems like a nice guy. There were a few things Tom said which again l felt a bit weird about - saying he'd have to cook for me one day and l can pay for the coffees next time, and a few times l felt he was looking at me a bit too long but maybe l was imagining it. He also said it was so nice talking to me and he felt a lot better about things, including his partner splitting up with him. Again this could be completely innocent. I made sure to mention my DH as much as possible and my DH knows all about me meeting him.

I told Tom about an activity l was doing the next day, he wished me good luck with it and then we both went our separate ways.

The next day he messaged me at 7am saying good luck with my activity again. I simply said thanks, and got on with my day.

The following day l woke and saw Tom had texted me at 1am(!) asking how the activity had gone. This made me feel weird...why is he thinking about me at that time of the day?! And it wasn't a particularly interesting thing l was doing - he could have just asked me next time we bumped into eachother.

I waited until that afternoon to reply and just said 'fine thanks'.

That was a few days ago but every time I've checked my messages, l have been worried what if there's another one from him. I live in a small place so will bump into Tom at any time and l now feel worried about this whenever l take the dog out. I'm starting to wish l had never suggested going for a coffee and wondering if l am too friendly for my own good! I dont know if l have given him the wrong idea or am l reading far too much into this?!

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AnnieSnap · 05/10/2024 09:25

PuzzleMix · 05/10/2024 06:22

Phone numbers were exchanged to arrange meeting for a coffee. This happened before we met for the coffee (obviously!) and all the weird stuff hadn't happened at this point.

This is different to meeting up, feeling uncomfortable, having a chat with Tom, and then saying, "Hey, here's my number." Which l do agree looks more of an invitation to be friends.

I get it. I wouldn’t exchange numbers under those circumstances though. For me, that’s too familiar and I think that’s where the misunderstanding came from. Also why meet an acquaintance for a coffee, rather than simply in the park at an approximate time for the dog walk. I’m long in the tooth though, so maybe what I’d do now and what I might have done in my 20s are different. I’m not certain.

Alucard55 · 05/10/2024 08:16

PuzzleMix · 05/10/2024 06:22

Phone numbers were exchanged to arrange meeting for a coffee. This happened before we met for the coffee (obviously!) and all the weird stuff hadn't happened at this point.

This is different to meeting up, feeling uncomfortable, having a chat with Tom, and then saying, "Hey, here's my number." Which l do agree looks more of an invitation to be friends.

Just wanted to say I think you tried to do a kind thing and this man has completely overstepped. For people saying that he's just lonely it's strange that these men never carry on the same way with other men. You feel uncomfortable and that's all that matters. His feelings are not your responsibility. I personally wouldn't even slow fade now as that's still engaging with him and giving him some level of interest. I'd seriously just stick to good morning and keep on walking. Also block his number.

I had a similar situation with a female neighbor where I started helping with her dog. She became an absolute pest texting and phoning constantly and I couldn't leave my house without her running out to talk to me. Long story short I don't even look at her now. Yes that may seem hard or cruel but I get to come home from work and go straight into my house without having to stand and listen to absolute shite for 20 minutes first.

Hope you work it out😊

PuzzleMix · 05/10/2024 06:22

AnnieSnap · 04/10/2024 20:52

If you didn’t want to become a full on friend (and I understand why you wouldn’t), why on earth did you give him your phone number? As someone else’s advised, start taking your husband with you on these walks and gradually cool with him. You need to be gentle, as you are at least partly responsible for his misunderstanding and given his mental health problems and caring responsibilities. Be kind, but distance yourself a little.

Phone numbers were exchanged to arrange meeting for a coffee. This happened before we met for the coffee (obviously!) and all the weird stuff hadn't happened at this point.

This is different to meeting up, feeling uncomfortable, having a chat with Tom, and then saying, "Hey, here's my number." Which l do agree looks more of an invitation to be friends.

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AnnieSnap · 04/10/2024 20:52

If you didn’t want to become a full on friend (and I understand why you wouldn’t), why on earth did you give him your phone number? As someone else’s advised, start taking your husband with you on these walks and gradually cool with him. You need to be gentle, as you are at least partly responsible for his misunderstanding and given his mental health problems and caring responsibilities. Be kind, but distance yourself a little.

HectorPlasm · 04/10/2024 14:33

PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 13:23

If you read all my responses you will see he is not a random stranger – I class that as somebody I have never seen before in my life. We have been saying hi for around a year and having small talk about our dogs. We exchanged numbers to arrange meeting for a coffee.

There's a hint of victim blaming to your question, and I'm not here for it!

The good thing is that he hasn't contacted me since, and I am hoping it stays that way. If we bump into each other I will be friendly, but if he pushes to meet up again I am going to be busy for the forseeable. I do genuinely have a lot going on in my life so it's not even a lie.

Apologies. No victim blaming I promise - don't mean it to come across that way.

PassingStranger · 04/10/2024 13:24

PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 20:30

Yes it's all my fault 🙄

Couldn't happen if you were more careful with your phone number!

fairydolphin · 04/10/2024 11:24

I'm afraid to say but this is exactly why I wont befriend random men. I have done the same as you in the past OP and it has always turned out horribly. I always used to feel sorry for them and despite me having a husband/kids and mentioning them all the time and never saying anything that could be remotely misinterpreted, they always seem to read sexual interest into our platonic conversations and became creepy over time.

This is why it also makes me rage on MN when this scenario happens and people do the "be kind- they're just lonely" garbage. If people are truly lonely then they wont only target women for company but yet this always seems to happen. It's always women they seem to seek out to relieve their "loneliness" and to me that makes it very obvious it's not just platonic company they seek.

Listen to your instincts and shut this down. Dont ever give your phone number out to anyone you dont know very, very well. It always ends badly (as I have experienced- I ended up having to block them).

PuzzleMix · 04/10/2024 11:10

Thanks @pictoosh and @MarkWithaC. Glad there are some normal, rational people around here!

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MarkWithaC · 04/10/2024 09:31

PuzzleMix · 04/10/2024 02:42

😂l haven't been a victim, l just couldn't think of a better way of saying it!

But it is blaming me - woman exchanges numbers with man solely to arrange dog walk/coffee, woman then gets blamed for receiving a text at 1am, but man doesn't get blamed for being weird and inappropriate.

Yes, it's a very minor incident, but you could exchange for 'woman wears short skirt and walks home alone at midnight, woman gets assaulted, woman then gets blamed for being attacked because of her attire.'

I am not to blame just because l gave him my number.

Couldn't agree more, OP.
namechangetheworld, I can only assume you're being disingenuous and that you do in fact know what the OP means in this context by 'victim blaming'.

pictoosh · 04/10/2024 06:38

I do agree with you on that OP. I read that post and thought it had an accusatory tone.
"Stop giving your number out"

What? Stop having normal exchanges with other people? What??

PuzzleMix · 04/10/2024 02:42

namechangetheworld · 03/10/2024 20:53

What exactly have you been a 'victim' of? A man offering to make you a coffee in his kitchen?

😂l haven't been a victim, l just couldn't think of a better way of saying it!

But it is blaming me - woman exchanges numbers with man solely to arrange dog walk/coffee, woman then gets blamed for receiving a text at 1am, but man doesn't get blamed for being weird and inappropriate.

Yes, it's a very minor incident, but you could exchange for 'woman wears short skirt and walks home alone at midnight, woman gets assaulted, woman then gets blamed for being attacked because of her attire.'

I am not to blame just because l gave him my number.

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namechangetheworld · 03/10/2024 20:53

PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 13:23

If you read all my responses you will see he is not a random stranger – I class that as somebody I have never seen before in my life. We have been saying hi for around a year and having small talk about our dogs. We exchanged numbers to arrange meeting for a coffee.

There's a hint of victim blaming to your question, and I'm not here for it!

The good thing is that he hasn't contacted me since, and I am hoping it stays that way. If we bump into each other I will be friendly, but if he pushes to meet up again I am going to be busy for the forseeable. I do genuinely have a lot going on in my life so it's not even a lie.

What exactly have you been a 'victim' of? A man offering to make you a coffee in his kitchen?

DinosaurMunch · 03/10/2024 20:45

He's coming on way too strong too soon and acting like you were on a date or something.
If you asked him for a walk and coffee it should have been just walk and coffee. Plus maybe one follow up text.
Inviting someone in, repeatedly texting at odd times, making remarks about cooking for you etc is too much. He's probably just desperate rather than dangerous, but you can't know for sure and anyway you can't give him what he wants.
I think you need to be fairly blunt with him if he does anything further - explicitly state what the limits are.

PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 20:30

PassingStranger · 03/10/2024 20:25

Stop.giving your phone number out, then nobody can text you at 1am in the morning.

Yes it's all my fault 🙄

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PassingStranger · 03/10/2024 20:25

Stop.giving your phone number out, then nobody can text you at 1am in the morning.

1mabon · 03/10/2024 19:03

If you are uncomfortable, block him from your phone and change the direction of your walks, easy peasy.

MrsGtotheMax · 03/10/2024 17:25

DatingDinosaur · 28/09/2024 23:44

"I dont know if l have given him the wrong idea or am l reading far too much into this?!"

I don't think you've given him the wrong idea but I think he's latched on to your kindness and maybe developed a crush on you because of it.

Seeing as you'll see him around, if he suggests any one to one meetings, you could always say your DH was a bit uncomfortable with the last time when you told him about it so it would be best to keep it to group settings only.

This, absolutely.

GingerPirate · 03/10/2024 14:55

somethinggotmestarted · 29/09/2024 08:15

Texting at 1am is not ok. Your phone was on silent, but what if it wasn't and he'd woken you and your husband?

I understand he's lonely, but this has the hallmarks of turning into something problematic. Take the advice others have offered and nip this in the bud.

This.
Being lonely is one thing, weird time texting and offloading too much is another.

beanii · 03/10/2024 14:29

This would freak me out too.

He's definitely treating it as though you're both single, which obviously you're not.

Walking the dogs together is totally different to meeting his sister and having a coffee at his house.

If I were you I'd completely cut contact, sounds harsh but if you see him I'd just carry on walking and say 'sorry, can't stop'. I'd also block his number - no reason he needs it.

All these people feeling sorry for him don't have to deal with him - if he's giving you freaky vibes - please listen to your gut instincts.

Devon23 · 03/10/2024 14:29

No you're not being unreasonable trust your gut - dont meet again or take your hubby next time, make sure he gets the message.

JackieGoodman · 03/10/2024 13:26

DSis is that you? Grin just kidding, pretty sure she doesn't use MN
But, this sort of thing happens to her too (and she has a dog). She is a friendly, confident woman, definitely sees the best in people and has had men occasionally misconstrue her friendliness as a come on.

"Tom" might not be doing that, but I strongly suspect he was.

PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 13:23

HectorPlasm · 03/10/2024 10:22

Why would you give a random your number?

If you read all my responses you will see he is not a random stranger – I class that as somebody I have never seen before in my life. We have been saying hi for around a year and having small talk about our dogs. We exchanged numbers to arrange meeting for a coffee.

There's a hint of victim blaming to your question, and I'm not here for it!

The good thing is that he hasn't contacted me since, and I am hoping it stays that way. If we bump into each other I will be friendly, but if he pushes to meet up again I am going to be busy for the forseeable. I do genuinely have a lot going on in my life so it's not even a lie.

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PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 13:17

Cece54 · 03/10/2024 08:05

Hmmmm... hard to tell with this one. I certainly wouldn't go back into his house though. For any reason. Even with the dog. Yes he's being friendly and he's undoubtedly lonely, but the night texts are overstepping. Sad to say but too many women have had experience of just being friendly taken as much more. And this guy is a prime candidate for this. His circumstances are sad, but they're not your problem. Definitely pull back. You're uncomfortable.... that's enough. I hope you don't dog walk in anywhere secluded either. What does your hubby think of it all ? Does he think it's iffy ??

My DH is pretty easy going. He thinks I'm right to be wary but doesn't necessarily see it as weird as I do, though he thinks the 1am text was odd. He also thinks I'm worrying a bit too much about it. He has been doing dog walks with me when he can. The rest of the time I have been going out with a baseball cap and dark sunglasses on and walking routes that I know Tom doesn't go to, so that says all you need to know about how I'm feeling about it all!!!

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PuzzleMix · 03/10/2024 13:12

wwjalme · 03/10/2024 11:31

Put a stop to this straightaway.

Even though we like to believe women can be platonic friends with men and that it can and does happen, I suspect most of the time men think that women starting a friendship with them like you have is because they are romantically interested. My platonic male friends are all people I have known since university or gay men.

Secondly, I think we really need to stop feeling sorry for lonely men with mental health issues and a sob story (in this case splitting with partner and the caring responsibilities). We are not there to fix men. You have to protect yourself in cases like this and very often this sort of thing leads to men latching on and becoming emotionally attached making it all the more difficult to end the "friendship" if the man oversteps the boundaries. (This would also apply to women too, it's not just a man thing).

If that sounds harsh, so be it. I've had too much experience of this sort of thing during my life and it's only in the last 8 years or so that I've woken up to the fact that I was regularly trying to help and rescue people at enormous cost to myself and having to extricate myself from difficult situations.

There's another thread at the moment about a man who latched onto the OP and quickly became a nuisance. OP doubting herself about blocking him and so on.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5179099-what-to-do-about-this-man?page=1

Wow, I've just read this other thread and this is EXACTLY what I don't want to happen. Scary!

OP posts:
wwjalme · 03/10/2024 11:31

Put a stop to this straightaway.

Even though we like to believe women can be platonic friends with men and that it can and does happen, I suspect most of the time men think that women starting a friendship with them like you have is because they are romantically interested. My platonic male friends are all people I have known since university or gay men.

Secondly, I think we really need to stop feeling sorry for lonely men with mental health issues and a sob story (in this case splitting with partner and the caring responsibilities). We are not there to fix men. You have to protect yourself in cases like this and very often this sort of thing leads to men latching on and becoming emotionally attached making it all the more difficult to end the "friendship" if the man oversteps the boundaries. (This would also apply to women too, it's not just a man thing).

If that sounds harsh, so be it. I've had too much experience of this sort of thing during my life and it's only in the last 8 years or so that I've woken up to the fact that I was regularly trying to help and rescue people at enormous cost to myself and having to extricate myself from difficult situations.

There's another thread at the moment about a man who latched onto the OP and quickly became a nuisance. OP doubting herself about blocking him and so on.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5179099-what-to-do-about-this-man?page=1

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