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Would you take on c. 10K debt to have one chance of another child?

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ohcrapimuseless · 28/09/2024 19:58

Just it really.

Would you take on c. 10k to have the chance of having another child? (likelihood of one round working less than 20%, would need ICSI, multiple health / age risk factors associated with pregnancy loss / infertility / high risk pregnancy).

A friend told me they wanted to do 'everything they could' do assure themselves they had tried to have another baby hence doing rounds of IVF. But they are loaded / piles of inheritance / no mortgage so not needing to take on debt. It's made me feel like I'm not committed to giving my child a sibling and that I can't be sad because I'm not trying hard enough. I can't think straight on this and feel utterly overwhelmed.

YABU - I wouldn't take on that debt for less than 1/5 chance
YANBU - I would take on that debt for less than 1/5 chance

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ohcrapimuseless · 29/09/2024 18:38

LividSquid · 29/09/2024 17:41

I spent £25k on IVF to have my miracle, and I would have kept going until I could beg/steal/borrow no more. And I probably DO mean beg and steal. It was that visceral a need.

For a second child? Absolutely not if it could negatively impact the first. I lost my fertility fully to an ectopic after my first, and tbh there was something positive in that it blocked off the possibility of having a sibling entirely. A tiny amount of hope can be dangerous, I fully believe it. No hope is sometimes easier to handle.

I know secondary infertility can be awful, but I also believe wholeheartedly that it is entirely different to not being a parent at all.

im sorry to hear about the ectopic. I totally TOTALLY agree with you about hope - you put it really well. Wishing you and your miracle little one all the best x

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GivingitToGod · 29/09/2024 17:55

ohcrapimuseless · 28/09/2024 21:03

Yes, probably. I have endometriosis. I have experienced v poor mental health in the last years (PND and tbh probably some level of post natal psychosis and OCD based on what happened). I can't see how pumping my body full of hormones wouldn't affect me a lot. Having said that I'm very used to high levels of pain and discomfort.

Also, I spend a lot of time feeling v sad anyway about wanting another child and dreading the day she asks about a sibling.

Have you considered adoption?

GivingitToGod · 29/09/2024 17:52

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 28/09/2024 20:02

I would be very nervous about it. It would depend on loads of things like age, current and future earnings, mortgage and how likely it is that it will be paid off by retirement, pension etc.

It isn't an easy question at all. Deciding to stop at 1 healthy much loved child and not taking on the physical and financial risk of ISCI is a decision nobody should criticise you for.

This and please try to stop comparing your situation to your friends. You have stated all the risk factors (irrespective of finance). Only u and your partner can make the decision that is right for u . Once u have made that decision, u need to ride with it and not torture yourselves with ifs and buts.
Enjoy your family life

LividSquid · 29/09/2024 17:41

I spent £25k on IVF to have my miracle, and I would have kept going until I could beg/steal/borrow no more. And I probably DO mean beg and steal. It was that visceral a need.

For a second child? Absolutely not if it could negatively impact the first. I lost my fertility fully to an ectopic after my first, and tbh there was something positive in that it blocked off the possibility of having a sibling entirely. A tiny amount of hope can be dangerous, I fully believe it. No hope is sometimes easier to handle.

I know secondary infertility can be awful, but I also believe wholeheartedly that it is entirely different to not being a parent at all.

ohcrapimuseless · 29/09/2024 16:07

upat4am · 29/09/2024 12:41

In this exact dilemma at the moment. Currently doing a frozen embryo transfer round of IVF so it's cheaper (£3.5-4k) but it's our last frozen embryo. If this doesn't work I'm not sure.

I would have spent anything to have our first child, but now they're here it's harder to justify more spending on potential heartbreak when that money could go towards giving DC a wonderful, comfortable life.

I wouldn't judge anyone who did though. Infertility is horrific and destroys your mental health, so whatever someone decides is best for them is the right path.

Even if they're getting into debt. If they can service the debt, it's just money, it doesn't really matter especially when you might end up with a hugely loved, wanted baby.

Sending you love and best wishes.

weirdly I think I wouldn’t have done ivf for the first. I think I would have accepted (with great sadness) a child free/less life. Now I feel urgency for my child, and for myself as well but I don’t want my need for another child to be the overriding factor.

basically Ivf feels like v high stakes gambling. I cannot say how much I wish to be someone who could conceive and carry a pregnancy with ease.

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user86345625434 · 29/09/2024 12:47

No I wouldn’t. Not for a high risk pregnancy with poor chances of success.

upat4am · 29/09/2024 12:41

In this exact dilemma at the moment. Currently doing a frozen embryo transfer round of IVF so it's cheaper (£3.5-4k) but it's our last frozen embryo. If this doesn't work I'm not sure.

I would have spent anything to have our first child, but now they're here it's harder to justify more spending on potential heartbreak when that money could go towards giving DC a wonderful, comfortable life.

I wouldn't judge anyone who did though. Infertility is horrific and destroys your mental health, so whatever someone decides is best for them is the right path.

Even if they're getting into debt. If they can service the debt, it's just money, it doesn't really matter especially when you might end up with a hugely loved, wanted baby.

kitsuneghost · 29/09/2024 09:26

You also have to consider it may not be born healthy and require full time care which would make debt harder to pay back.

PepaWepa · 29/09/2024 00:25

BeautyPageantDropout · 28/09/2024 20:09

I personally wouldn't as I don't have that urge but if I did have that urge I might well be persuaded it's a debt worth taking on.

This. It depends how much you want it.

WineIsMyMainVice · 29/09/2024 00:11

rainingcats · 28/09/2024 20:01

If I had no children then I would spend that without a question.

If I had a child I just couldn’t. It is a lot of money for a fairly small chance of success.

Absolutely this.
If you are also going to be a very high risk pregnancy you need to consider the impact on your whole family if your baby has health complications etc.
I hope you find peace with whatever decision you make op. Good luck x

StartupRepair · 29/09/2024 00:06

Make sure all your decisions are based on you, your daughter and your partner 's needs, not driven by envy of your friend. There is always someone for whom everything seems easier. Focusing on yourself will make it easier to live with whatever the outcome is.

Chipsintheair · 28/09/2024 23:52

I was in that position (had 3 year old DC) and decided against it because I was worried about the mental/emotional effects (and hormonal mental/emotional effects). My first pregnancy was a nightmare and I was still suffering from lack of sleep. It was a difficult decision.

I took out a similarly-sized loan to train for a new career instead, which turned out well.

However, I might have chosen differently had I the support I felt I needed and if I'd been feeling healthier and happier. It really is entirely up to you. We're all different.

Toohardtofindaproperusername · 28/09/2024 23:46

ohcrapimuseless · 28/09/2024 20:58

Thanks all. More views very welcome.

For information: It's probably pay back-able, for me/us. So long as jobs stay the same, we don't save for the future for a bit and no huge unexpected expenses.

My daughter was very hard won (3 + years TTC, including loss, and a lot of surgery). The pregnancy and birth were v high risk and complicated with a lot of in / out hospital, under fetal medicine etc. I know this is said a lot, but it isn't an exaggeration to say it was a life threatening birth both for me and my daughter. We are lucky to be here.

I have a tiny family. I'm estranged from my parents. I'm scared of leaving my daughter with no-one. She has no cousins on my side of the family. I'm also scared of using up the resources we have for nothing or worse (illness, death).

In this context you would be carzy to even consider it.
Enjoy being alive and with your daughter.

Enjoy what you have..enjoy life.

whalesonthebus · 28/09/2024 23:46

It’s so variable though - for some people, a debt of £10k could be paid back easily and quickly, for others it may be impossible. Personally I would, as we could repay it by cutting down on luxuries/holidays over the next 2-3 years. I had to remortgage to afford my last maternity leave, due to the nature of my job.

If there was a risk to my health that could potentially mean leaving my existing DC motherless, it would be a no.

Suz8 · 28/09/2024 23:37

I wouldn't get into debt for it, no OP. I might have taken it from very healthy savings though. It's really difficult to say until in that situation. I think I would have gotten into debt for one child though, otherwise I'd have always thought "What if..." But then where does IVF stop? I'd find it hard to know when to stop as I'd constantly think "What if the next round is the one?"

Really hope you are happy or rather at peace with whatever choice you make.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 28/09/2024 23:34

1 child is a blessing of course, and you are lucky and blessed! But don't ever let anyone make you feel guilty for wanting more. It's natural and normal to want a sibling. Whilst your fertility struggles serve to highlight how lucky you are to have a child, you do not need to feel guilty for wanting a sibling. And you absolutely do need to know that you did your utmost to get one!

Timeforaglassofwine · 28/09/2024 23:33

In the scale of things, £10k is a drop in the ocean of the cost of raising a child. One of ours is costing that a year in uni accommodation and top up spending money. It's about the cost of what my cousin is spending on childcare and £10k the cost of a reasonable second hand car or a couple of family holidays abroad.

Mickey79 · 28/09/2024 23:31

Yes I would. With a solid plan for paying off the debt within a couple of years.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 28/09/2024 23:26

I probably would take on the debt if it were my only chance yes.....because everyone is unique and the odds are probably not directly applicable to you. Took a few goes at IVF for our first and then it worked, second was a natural surprise/shock after many failed IVf's. Would it have happened without the IVF attempts? No idea but you've got and take your chances whilst you have them! IVF might have kick started my natural fertility. 2 girls later and I certainly wouldn't chance a thing!

AlmondsAreGreat · 28/09/2024 23:21

If I had no children, then yes I would.

If I had one or more children already, no I wouldn’t.

Radionowhere · 28/09/2024 23:02

Radionowhere · 28/09/2024 22:55

Yes I would. I always felt that I wanted to give my kids siblings. Not sure why I'm not at all close to one of mine and much older than the other. Anyhow, I have three kids who are very close. We were definitely poorer for having three, when they were young anyway, but that was okay. They didn't care and they've always had fun together.

Actually, no. Having read your update re being high risk, definitely not. At 40 I'd also be thinking about the higher risk of additional needs, in terms of the lack of extended family support.

Sorry OP. I'd take the low odds of success but not the higher risk to yourself and the impact on your existing child

Radionowhere · 28/09/2024 22:55

Yes I would. I always felt that I wanted to give my kids siblings. Not sure why I'm not at all close to one of mine and much older than the other. Anyhow, I have three kids who are very close. We were definitely poorer for having three, when they were young anyway, but that was okay. They didn't care and they've always had fun together.

Smeegall · 28/09/2024 22:45

Absolutely not. Have two amazing children who are adopted. 10k debt is a huge amount of debt and then to not have a child aswell. I appreciate this is some people's decision, but I never felt the need to have a genetic child. Also are my genes that great? I am short and dumpy... does any child need that?

AzureSheep · 28/09/2024 22:42

ohcrapimuseless · 28/09/2024 21:59

Someone asked about age - I’m 40. My amh is 2 (! Which I’ve been informed isn’t just low, but the low end of low) plus male factor infertility plus gynaecological issues. Only one of my ovaries is functioning. My daughter was conceived without assistance but that was 4 years ago when both ovaries / tubes were working.

the clinic has a high rep but yes I suspect it’s more expensive than others. Going abroad etc isn’t an option I’d feel safe with. I have a v. complicated medical history and would be very worried about clinicians treating me not having access to all that information.

Listen, my DD is an only, likely to never have any cousins. She’s 8. I’m 46. I would have loved to have had another, but we won’t. And that’s ok. Familial ties aren’t everything - we often refer to our friends and their kids as her aunties / uncles / cousins. Took me a while to accept, but I have.

I had a hard won, but relatively easy pregnancy. I couldn’t even consider another pregnancy given all the issues you’ve described. The risk of leaving your child without a mother is far too high. Focus on your beautiful child, accept that there will be some hard / tearful conversations when your child asks for a sibling, but please know that you’re not the only person to struggle with this. And most importantly, your child will be ok. The conversations are invariably harder on us parents than on the child asking for a brother / sister.

It sounds like you need some real and specific counselling around the birth trauma though - your money would be better spent on that, I think?

Really wishing all the best for you OP 💐💐💐

SparrowFeet · 28/09/2024 22:27

A friend of mine remortgaged the house and spent £40k on IVF which wasn't successful (for her second baby). It was terribly difficult to stop (just one more go) until the money literally ran out. I think she needed to go through it to get closure, but I don't think she'd be able to say it was worth it.