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moo899 · 28/09/2024 15:06

Has already happened now so I guess more of a Was IBU...

My exdp and I share a young child. He's got no PR currently, we just have a loose arrangement between us for EOW at the moment.

He's quite demanding and nasty for context.

Recently I've had to swap a lot of "his" days for him as he's not been available on the agreed days. Fine.

Saw DC last weekend due to this. Seeing DC next weekend too.

This weekend is "his" weekend... but he said he wasn't available due to work hence the swaps.

He decided 2 days ago to text me and tell me that it's his weekend and a family member will come to collect our DC.

I queried this as we have already swapped around weekends as he said he was working, and this would mean I wouldn't get a weekend with child for 3 weeks in a row.

He told me it's too bad and X will be collecting child at a certain time today.

I've just gone out.

Have I been unreasonable?

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Ppzd · 29/09/2024 09:58

Is he even allowed to send someone else to collect DC? Isn't that a safeguarding issue? Specially if you've had issues with a specific person in the past when DC was a baby?! I'd definitely mention that to your solicitor and whatever arrangements you demand, you make sure that no one else but the dad is allowed to do pick up, drop off AND looking after DC! Or, demand that he only has supervised visits!

From what the solicitor said, currently I'm not obliged to hand dc over to anyone, not even exp as he's not on BC.

But I have been handing dc over to him for contact to try and keep things reasonable.

If it went to court, I'm not sure if I would have to hand dc over to another person if he's not collecting himself. Not sure how that works.

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chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 10:00

13Ghosts · 29/09/2024 09:57

You asked what it meant. I told you what it meant.

Are you a solicitor? Not a soldier, it's a solicitor. No, didn't think so.

My friend had exactly this condition placed on her fickle ex who kept messing around her daughter, she no longer sees her father at all because he couldn't be bothered to stick to the EOW and kept sending his mum. Don't attack people for posting when you have no experience and are just plain rude and uninformed.

ignore this posters advice re “first refusal”
and saying to ex that will only handover to him or people op agrees with

all nonsense

moo899 · 29/09/2024 09:58

If I'm really honest here I don't want to be handing my child over to his family members. They scare me, weren't very nice to me when I was pregnant (so by default weren't good to my child), his family had nothing to do with my child for a significant period and the only reason they are getting involved now is to facilitate his contact (I think). One of these people shouted at me in a public place when I was holding my child, I'd done nothing at all.

I really have done nothing, I've just kept my head down and raising my child, I've done everything myself. The only thing I've done wrong is keep the baby when he didn't want me to, which they hold against me. I also went to CMS which means I want his money and I'm a bad person.

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Ppzd · 29/09/2024 09:58

Is he even allowed to send someone else to collect DC? Isn't that a safeguarding issue? Specially if you've had issues with a specific person in the past when DC was a baby?! I'd definitely mention that to your solicitor and whatever arrangements you demand, you make sure that no one else but the dad is allowed to do pick up, drop off AND looking after DC! Or, demand that he only has supervised visits!

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You asked what it meant. I told you what it meant.

Are you a solicitor? Not a soldier, it's a solicitor. No, didn't think so.

My friend had exactly this condition placed on her fickle ex who kept messing around her daughter, she no longer sees her father at all because he couldn't be bothered to stick to the EOW and kept sending his mum. Don't attack people for posting when you have no experience and are just plain rude and uninformed.

Lovemybunnies · 29/09/2024 09:55

You need to start keeping a diary of the plan, what actually happens and what was said. Keep screenshots of messages. If it does go to court you will need this.

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:52

13Ghosts · 29/09/2024 09:50

She didn't agree AT ALL. How is she in the wrong for him to send relatives on a 4 hour trip? This is entirely on him. She had plans for her weekend (the weekend between is two weekends that she kindly allowed him to change) with her child and she was out, after saying no to him.

the OP is
not “in the wrong” at all

but if she really doesn’t want to inflame the situation, then she needs to stop this kind of drama and engage with professionals in order to formalise the arrangements

Imbusytodaysorry · 29/09/2024 09:51

moo899 · 29/09/2024 09:25

@DeliciousApples I agree I could have acted better. I suppose not being there was my way of trying to take back some control, as I did tell him I'd not agreed to it.

He said he's seen a solicitor and I would be obliged to hand dc over to whoever he sends to collect on "his time".

He's not a shift worker but does a job that has an irregular pattern.

He is talking rubbish. You don’t need to hand over your child to anyone . He bullying you @moo899
He has no rights and can’t call the police .

As said above send something written . That moving forward if you agree to a weekend change to suit him then you will be busy on the weekend you have your Dd and he can’t get both especially just to hand your Dd to a family member while he isn’t around.

Sounds like you should move the emails or the family app I’ve seen mentioned on here.
Also put in writing you do not agree or authorise anyone else to be at your property or collecting your child.

Time to stand up to this bully of a man .

For what it’s worth I’d have went out too I’d also have said “don't bother sending people to my home” .

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:51

@13Ghosts

solicitor said I could either send a letter and start the process myself (mediation first then to family court if that failed), or I could leave the ball in his court and see if he does that himself.

and you interpreted this as the solicitor saying that the op had “first refusal”

as i say op, ignore this poster

moo899 · 29/09/2024 09:51

@chestnutroast I was using "just" as an intensifier in that sentence. I went out in the morning.

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PassMeTheCookies · 29/09/2024 09:46

Seeing the update that they live two hours away, I think you were in the wrong there. I'd be pretty damn annoyed doing a four hour round trip. Although I do take the point that he's the one that's changed the dates around and you can't always accommodate him.

The wisest thing to have done in this situation is to say to him, okay, as contact is still going ahead on your scheduled weekend, we'll revert to the schedule and I'll have DC next weekend, and then we fall nicely back into our cycle.

She didn't agree AT ALL. How is she in the wrong for him to send relatives on a 4 hour trip? This is entirely on him. She had plans for her weekend (the weekend between is two weekends that she kindly allowed him to change) with her child and she was out, after saying no to him.

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 29/09/2024 09:48

Court and Child Arrangement Order. Otherwise you're giving into his power and control.
No way would I be happy giving over my small child to some random person your ex had elected. UNLESS I was confident that my child had a good relationship with them.

A friend's young child was dumped by the father with random relatives over Christmas who he didn't know, as he elected to work at last minute (lots of money for him). Poor kid had no presents and a miserable time.

I don't believe his work is so difficult... Am sure he's just saying this to excuse his future behavior.

This prince amongst men didn't want to even be named on birth certificate....

Why are you pandering to him??

What sort of relationship does he have with your child.?? Does kid look forward to seeing his dad??

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Theunamedcat · 29/09/2024 09:47

moo899 · 29/09/2024 09:08

I feel like it all is a bit of a game and power on his part.

He's said before that I've been rude and nasty to him at collections but I never have been, I've always been civil and polite to him, asking if they've had a good day together etc.

But it makes me question my own reality.

He has also made out I am totally out of line for not being at home when his relatives have shown up, however I never agreed to the day so I'm not sure what he was thinking getting them to drive over.

But it will be used against me I'm sure.

Ring doorbell is your friend here

My ex tells everyone I salivate over him and try desperately to get him into bed I point out everything is recorded and we don't even "speak" as the kids are old enough just to say bye mom and walk out the door!

PassMeTheCookies · 29/09/2024 09:46

Seeing the update that they live two hours away, I think you were in the wrong there. I'd be pretty damn annoyed doing a four hour round trip. Although I do take the point that he's the one that's changed the dates around and you can't always accommodate him.

The wisest thing to have done in this situation is to say to him, okay, as contact is still going ahead on your scheduled weekend, we'll revert to the schedule and I'll have DC next weekend, and then we fall nicely back into our cycle.

13Ghosts · 29/09/2024 09:46

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:42

what is “right for first refusal” mean?

That OP has the right to be the one to look after her child when the father will be outsourcing his childcare on his time to someone else. The obligation is for him to have contact with his child. The agreement has been made to EOW, if he can't have his child on his weekend then he must give OP the opportunity to before any other childcare arrangements in his absence.

I'm this instance here, she already said no he couldn't have DC this weekend anyway and he sent someone else to take the child. Even if she had agreed to him having DC she didn't agree to someone else having custody of her child.

Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 29/09/2024 09:44

Stop accommodating his request to swap. Send an email of the dates your dc will be made available for contact for the rest of the year. And stick to that schedule.. That's more than legally /morally he's entitled to as he has no PR or court order... Remember if he collects and refuses to bring dc back police are on your side as he isn't on the bc.. Get a payg phone for him to contact you on. Block him on your proper phone. Keep all abusive messages.. Build a case basically incase he turns into a bigger twat..

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 29/09/2024 09:44

Waste thei time again

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 29/09/2024 09:44

Yanbu. 'We agreed in writing to swap weekends. Therefore this is my weekend and we had plans ao won't be in. You wouldn't accept me withholding child on the weekend that was originally mine that we swapped. Please tell relarive not to

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 29/09/2024 09:43

Court...

Pandasnacks · 29/09/2024 09:43

@moo899 you worded it like you'd just gone out today. What was his response? And yes the travelling relative is on him, but that doesn't mean people won't be annoyed at you or that it will make your life easier.

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:42

13Ghosts · 29/09/2024 09:41

Respond to his claim that your solicitor says you have the right of first refusal, if he isn't collecting and caring for your child on his time then you won't be handing DC over to anyone else. DC can spend time with these relatives but father must be present.

what is “right for first refusal” mean?