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To have told DD she has to come to family day out regardless of how she feels?

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Dawevi · 27/09/2024 22:21

For years DD15 was massively into Harry Potter and was desperate to go to the HP experience. DS10 is quite a few years younger than her and is now into HP and they have played HP games together, DD has dressed DS up, read him the books, etc, and so we decided to book to go as a family. We gave them the tickets months ago as a surprise and DD seemed underwhelmed but wouldn't talk to us about it. She's autistic so we thought she might just be overwhelmed.

It's now in a few weeks and she told me tonight she doesn't want to go. She hasn't really said why and won't talk about it.

AIBU to have told her that we are going and that's it? It's expensive, I'm pretty sure she will enjoy it or at least bits of it once there, and sometimes we just have to do stuff we aren't so keen on, in my opinion. I personally have never read or watched any HP and nor has DH, but I imagine we will find things to enjoy.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Greenfingersorangetoes · 28/09/2024 08:47

CLola24 · 28/09/2024 08:45

Why does the consensus seem to be dragging a disabled girl to an attraction that she wanted to go to years ago to appease a little boy? Why are his needs more important than hers?

And why do her needs trump his? She sounds high functioning and the problem is a combination (or mostly) her being a grumpy teenager and a bit of her disability on the side.

Needmorelego · 28/09/2024 08:45

@Tangerinenets so could you give me some actual advice on how you do it please.
If my autistic 16 year old decides she isn't going somewhere she physically doesn't move. How do I move her?

CLola24 · 28/09/2024 08:45

Why does the consensus seem to be dragging a disabled girl to an attraction that she wanted to go to years ago to appease a little boy? Why are his needs more important than hers?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 28/09/2024 08:44

Rosscameasdoody · 28/09/2024 08:33

OP I hope all those on this thread calling you a bad parent are now eating their words.

No I'm not eating my words. There's quite a lot to unpack in that "explanation" but
, I thought she still was until after the tickets were bought, we thought they would both love this trip, and it is booked and paid for.

OP could have asked before it was booked.

BarbaraHoward · 28/09/2024 08:43

OP if your family life is often arranged around your DD's needs, perhaps it would do no harm to have a day for DS with him front and centre.

Tangerinenets · 28/09/2024 08:42

Needmorelego · 28/09/2024 08:15

Are your children autistic?

Yes the eldest is autistic.

sashh · 28/09/2024 08:40

I think that sounds like you are very reasonable.

Can you discuss how the day will go? What happens if she feels she will melt down?

I've just had a look at the website and found their 'autism and visitor support guide'

Maybe go through it together?

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Greenfingersorangetoes · 28/09/2024 08:35

The teen way of being is to be anti-JK Rowling, she's a TERF 🙄 so your daughter may be conflicted by her love of harry potter and trying to fit in with her peers.

EdithBond · 28/09/2024 08:35

Just seen your latest post @Dawevi. If it’s because she objects to JK Rowling’s views on trans people, that’s a tough one, as it’s more a principle for her. And her friends might ask her why she’s going if they share her views. I was vegetarian at 15 and would’ve refused to go for a family meal at a steakhouse, out of moral principle. Lots of young people are into boycotts as a peaceful way to protest.

Does JK Rowling actually make any money from Harry Potter World?

Icepop79 · 28/09/2024 08:35

Definitely insist she comes. It is a fantastic day out whether you’re into Harry Potter or not - we’ve been a couple of times and all of us have loved it. There is a massive range of ages who look round. 15 is not too old - there are loads of grown-ups who are there without children. You were right to wait until your son was old enough to get something out of it, though - it’s a huge site and younger kids would struggle.

Seagullproofoldbag · 28/09/2024 08:34

DoYouReally · 27/09/2024 22:49

Every teenager I know that loved Harry Potter now says JK Rowling is a TERF & should be cancelled. Even if you talk it out with them, they might agree differently but it's the teenager stance right now..

One of my nieces will watch the films in my house as she doesn't want anyone to know as it's really uncool apparently.

Might that have anything to do with it.

If the teenagers you know go to a school anything like my son's school, they will have been told by a teacher that JK Rowling made a series of transphobic tweets on Twitter, even though it's nonsense and none of the children ( yr7) were aware of any controversy previously. No background or detail or explanation given. All of them, except my son, now believe this.

Ponoka7 · 28/09/2024 08:34

The truth is that if you insist on only whole family days out, then the eldest doesn't get to do age/interest appropriate things and misses out. Sometimes one of you needs to go and split the children. However it sounds like an anxiety response (now you've clarified things with her), all you can do is reassure her that you will take her somewhere quiet if she is getting overwhelmed. I'm sure that you already talk through her fears and tell her the possible solutions. Just keep doing that.

Robotindisguise · 28/09/2024 08:34

As autistic kids are so different (I have one too) only you can say what making her go would look like. For us in this situation, it would include a great big row followed by “FINE!” and her getting in the car with 3000 fidgets, headphones on and her hood up. After a bit of performative stropping getting out of the car, one of two things would happen. She would either have a lovely day (likely if it is something up her street) and thank me for making her go at the end of it, or would not warm up and the whole day would be a bit rubbish.

How’s her life generally at the moment? I find if she’s out if social energy it’s hard to make her leave the house for anything at all.

Rosscameasdoody · 28/09/2024 08:33

Dawevi · 28/09/2024 08:25

Thanks for all the replies, I'll try and address some of the points brought up:

We really do not favour DS. I'm really careful to give them both time and I actually spend a lot of time making sure family life is arranged around DD as her needs are more complex and she has a lot of rituals and sensory issues that we need to accommodate. We made him go to something he wasn't keen on in the summer because DD wanted to go, and he spends a lot of time at home having to accommodate her rituals which do impinge on his life a fair bit.

The reasons we booked it now rather than years ago is that they are BOTH now into it. Previously it was only DD plus I thought DS wouldn't enjoy it and would be disruptive if we went, plus we generally don't go as a family to something only one person is into. So when I saw they were both into it and enjoying it, I thought it would be great to take them (even though I think DH and I will be a bit bored, potentially, but that's fine, we are going for the kids).

I'm very aware of all our additional needs and requirements and good at juggling and accommodating them all. DD won't be thinking about crowds etc as she knows I'll ensure she has what she needs. She knows I'm her advocate and protector, I've had to do a lot of fighting for her with schools and doctors.

People accusing me of being a bad parent for not watching HP are very far off the mark. I've spent hours listening to both my children talk about their special interests, watching TV I'm not interested in, etc. HP was the one I didn't get involved in much and DD read the books at school, and talked with her friends about it. But I know all about Pokémon and Hatsune Miku!

We didn't "do" HP pre age 10 for her at all. She wasn't allowed before then to read the books because there are themes in there that we didn't feel were appropriate and that aren't compatible with our family faith, and we didn't want the kids reading the books and seeing the films until they were old enough for us to have discussions around that. We also don't do Halloween for this reason.

So now DS is 10 they are both old enough for the discussions, and DD knows this. We've had very open conversations about all this.

I don't know if it's the trans thing. There was a conversation over a year ago when she said she thought JK Rowling was transphobic, but we looked at what JK actually wrote and said and she agreed it wasn't. And when she was all quiet the other day and I didn't know why she was quiet, I asked her if it was to do with that (running through a list of all possibles however tenuous) and she said no. I eventually got it out of her it was to do with the trip. So I don't know as she seems to have said it isn't that.

I actually said to her when she was unable to articulate what she was thinking, "does it help to know that it's booked so we are going?" as often it does help her to know there's no options, she finds making decisions really hard.

I am going to try talking to her again obviously. But this thread was about am I unreasonable to approach those chats with the stance that we are all going unless a very good reason is given (and I honestly can't think of what one would be).

The bottom line is that she was into HP until very very recently, I thought she still was until after the tickets were bought, we thought they would both love this trip, and it is booked and paid for.

OP I hope all those on this thread calling you a bad parent are now eating their words.

YellowphantGrey · 28/09/2024 08:31

And you're never too old for Harry Potter! We are going next year as we wanted to wait for more new stuff to be added and DS will be 17 and is looking forward to it

YellowphantGrey · 28/09/2024 08:29

Dawevi · 28/09/2024 08:25

Thanks for all the replies, I'll try and address some of the points brought up:

We really do not favour DS. I'm really careful to give them both time and I actually spend a lot of time making sure family life is arranged around DD as her needs are more complex and she has a lot of rituals and sensory issues that we need to accommodate. We made him go to something he wasn't keen on in the summer because DD wanted to go, and he spends a lot of time at home having to accommodate her rituals which do impinge on his life a fair bit.

The reasons we booked it now rather than years ago is that they are BOTH now into it. Previously it was only DD plus I thought DS wouldn't enjoy it and would be disruptive if we went, plus we generally don't go as a family to something only one person is into. So when I saw they were both into it and enjoying it, I thought it would be great to take them (even though I think DH and I will be a bit bored, potentially, but that's fine, we are going for the kids).

I'm very aware of all our additional needs and requirements and good at juggling and accommodating them all. DD won't be thinking about crowds etc as she knows I'll ensure she has what she needs. She knows I'm her advocate and protector, I've had to do a lot of fighting for her with schools and doctors.

People accusing me of being a bad parent for not watching HP are very far off the mark. I've spent hours listening to both my children talk about their special interests, watching TV I'm not interested in, etc. HP was the one I didn't get involved in much and DD read the books at school, and talked with her friends about it. But I know all about Pokémon and Hatsune Miku!

We didn't "do" HP pre age 10 for her at all. She wasn't allowed before then to read the books because there are themes in there that we didn't feel were appropriate and that aren't compatible with our family faith, and we didn't want the kids reading the books and seeing the films until they were old enough for us to have discussions around that. We also don't do Halloween for this reason.

So now DS is 10 they are both old enough for the discussions, and DD knows this. We've had very open conversations about all this.

I don't know if it's the trans thing. There was a conversation over a year ago when she said she thought JK Rowling was transphobic, but we looked at what JK actually wrote and said and she agreed it wasn't. And when she was all quiet the other day and I didn't know why she was quiet, I asked her if it was to do with that (running through a list of all possibles however tenuous) and she said no. I eventually got it out of her it was to do with the trip. So I don't know as she seems to have said it isn't that.

I actually said to her when she was unable to articulate what she was thinking, "does it help to know that it's booked so we are going?" as often it does help her to know there's no options, she finds making decisions really hard.

I am going to try talking to her again obviously. But this thread was about am I unreasonable to approach those chats with the stance that we are all going unless a very good reason is given (and I honestly can't think of what one would be).

The bottom line is that she was into HP until very very recently, I thought she still was until after the tickets were bought, we thought they would both love this trip, and it is booked and paid for.

My niece has brain damage and is high functioning autistic, anxiety and is 15. We've done the HP Warner Bros tour 3 times with her, all 3 times and she didn't want to go each time but absolutely loved it and we ended up doing it 3 times because she spent so long examining everything.

The staff were amazing, supportive and understanding and help with wheelchair access and queues too.

waltzingparrot · 28/09/2024 08:28

Dawevi · 27/09/2024 22:46

That's what I think. At worst she will be bored (as will I!) and life's like that sometimes. But I think she will enjoy it when she gets there.

I'm not addressing the main point of the thread I know, but I think you and DH may be more enthused and certainly enjoy it more if you have seen the films.

We've just re-watched them all in the summer holidays over a couple of weeks - they're cracking good films. Can you do this as a family/with DD and would that get her excited to go?

Stompythedinosaur · 28/09/2024 08:28

I still think this reads like you didn't take her in her Harry Potter phase, but are taking your ds. 10 is a usual age for that, while 15 is a bit old.

If you don't want to go either, then why not stay at home with your dd? It isn't fair to blame your dd for not wanting to do an activity she wasn't consulted on. She isn't ruining the day out, you did when you booked without discussing it. I get that's not done with bad intent, but you shouldn't try to locate the problem in your dd just because it hasn't been received like you imagined.

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 28/09/2024 08:27

Dawevi · 27/09/2024 22:50

I've said it twice. I'm also autistic as is DS. And without a good reason I'm not ruining our family day out by two of us not going. You think I'm unreasonable, but I'm not convinced that I am.

Why would a day out be ruined if not all the family are there? You and your son could have a lovely time together.

EdithBond · 28/09/2024 08:27

Dawevi · 27/09/2024 23:19

She has always wanted to go and recently she and her brother have been enjoying HP related things together.

YANBU to expect her to go on a family day out, especially if it cost a lot.

But it is really typical for a 15yo to get to a point where they don’t want to do so much as a family and moan about going places together. It starts to feel a bit cringe for them, especially if they feel they’re expected to enjoy ‘kids stuff’. Her disabilities might heighten it too. Perhaps she’s anxious about having to use her wheelchair there. At 15, kids get conscious about their appearance etc.

Perhaps a slight change of tack might work? Show her you respect her as a young adult by saying something like: “I know you’re getting a bit old for family days at theme parks, but DS will love it and it’d be good to hang out with you too. Harry Potter’s not that kiddie as lots of adults go there”. Speak to her as you would a mate who’s reluctant, rather than a child being told she has to come.

PinkyFlamingo · 28/09/2024 08:26

Pleatherandlace · 27/09/2024 22:36

I don’t really understand why you’re forcing this? Can’t she just stay home and you can offer the extra ticket to one of your younger child’s friends? I would have thought at 15 she’d be a bit too old for Harry Potter anyway.

Too old for Harry Potter? That's funny given the amount of adults who love it! 😂

Dawevi · 28/09/2024 08:25

Thanks for all the replies, I'll try and address some of the points brought up:

We really do not favour DS. I'm really careful to give them both time and I actually spend a lot of time making sure family life is arranged around DD as her needs are more complex and she has a lot of rituals and sensory issues that we need to accommodate. We made him go to something he wasn't keen on in the summer because DD wanted to go, and he spends a lot of time at home having to accommodate her rituals which do impinge on his life a fair bit.

The reasons we booked it now rather than years ago is that they are BOTH now into it. Previously it was only DD plus I thought DS wouldn't enjoy it and would be disruptive if we went, plus we generally don't go as a family to something only one person is into. So when I saw they were both into it and enjoying it, I thought it would be great to take them (even though I think DH and I will be a bit bored, potentially, but that's fine, we are going for the kids).

I'm very aware of all our additional needs and requirements and good at juggling and accommodating them all. DD won't be thinking about crowds etc as she knows I'll ensure she has what she needs. She knows I'm her advocate and protector, I've had to do a lot of fighting for her with schools and doctors.

People accusing me of being a bad parent for not watching HP are very far off the mark. I've spent hours listening to both my children talk about their special interests, watching TV I'm not interested in, etc. HP was the one I didn't get involved in much and DD read the books at school, and talked with her friends about it. But I know all about Pokémon and Hatsune Miku!

We didn't "do" HP pre age 10 for her at all. She wasn't allowed before then to read the books because there are themes in there that we didn't feel were appropriate and that aren't compatible with our family faith, and we didn't want the kids reading the books and seeing the films until they were old enough for us to have discussions around that. We also don't do Halloween for this reason.

So now DS is 10 they are both old enough for the discussions, and DD knows this. We've had very open conversations about all this.

I don't know if it's the trans thing. There was a conversation over a year ago when she said she thought JK Rowling was transphobic, but we looked at what JK actually wrote and said and she agreed it wasn't. And when she was all quiet the other day and I didn't know why she was quiet, I asked her if it was to do with that (running through a list of all possibles however tenuous) and she said no. I eventually got it out of her it was to do with the trip. So I don't know as she seems to have said it isn't that.

I actually said to her when she was unable to articulate what she was thinking, "does it help to know that it's booked so we are going?" as often it does help her to know there's no options, she finds making decisions really hard.

I am going to try talking to her again obviously. But this thread was about am I unreasonable to approach those chats with the stance that we are all going unless a very good reason is given (and I honestly can't think of what one would be).

The bottom line is that she was into HP until very very recently, I thought she still was until after the tickets were bought, we thought they would both love this trip, and it is booked and paid for.

OP posts:
Wazzupp · 28/09/2024 08:24

I would say she has to go.

I also think you'll all end up having a fantastic time. We went with older teens and we all loved it.

See if you can work out what is bothering her, but ultimately explain that you are all going together.

Dawevi · 28/09/2024 08:23

NextCoffee · 28/09/2024 08:15

'I've said it twice. I'm also autistic as is DS. And without a good reason I'm not ruining our family day out by two of us not going. You think I'm unreasonable, but I'm not convinced that I am.'

Is your son's autism more similar to yours? It would explain why it's harder to relate to your daughter.

No it's the opposite. DD and I are almost exactly the same, DS is ADHD as well so he's totally different. I relate to DD totally, we have a very close bond and I understand her even when she's situationally mute - I can read her eyes and body language nearly all of the time and she uses me to translate for her.

OP posts:
YellowphantGrey · 28/09/2024 08:22

pinkstripeycat · 28/09/2024 08:10

Terf? (I had to google it) Gosh so many young, women hating, woke teenagers! If that was the case I’d worry for this world.

Thankfully I know this isn’t the norm around the majority of teenagers. I have teenagers and they are far too mature to use silly phrases like Terf. They and their friends are normal people who don’t unkindly label people that are supportive of women.

Edited

This. It's a worrying trend because they want to marginalise any girls or women who have genuine concerns by giving them a name and rather than engaging in a conversation, you get told "you're a terf, oh my god" and immediately silenced.