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I don’t want to give DD (17) gift cards for Christmas

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ForkTines · 27/09/2024 19:38

This is a genuine AIBU - be a bit gentle.

She’s just told me she wants an Amazon voucher and nothing else. She’s aware that there was a specific budget for the last two Christmases and says she wants that and will spend it as and when and has no plans so I have no idea what it’ll go on. She wants the same for her birthday in February. She’s lovely and says it will give her some freedom.

I’m bothered by this - I don’t think of presents as a money thing. She’s 17 - it’s not like I will lovingly wrap loads of wonderful things and she’s going to get me a Fabergé egg in return ( she’s broke most of the time, so I don’t expect anything, obviously) But I don’t feel comfortable that she sees the Christmas ‘budget’ as something she’s entitled to the way she’s entitled to a winter coat. Between close adults I think of presents as ritual acts of care through thoughtfulness. Like pebbles for penguins. I don’t want to dole it out in vouchers. If my husband got me an Amazon voucher I’d be really quite sad.

I also know I like choosing and buying her presents, so I might be being touchy about letting go or that she might have not liked something/s I’ve bought her.

I’m not sure if I’m being a sentimental looney or stopping in its tracks a tit for tat voucher exchange transaction every year when she leaves home.

For context on her cash flow etc - she gets £50 per month pocket money for keeping all the floors of the house consistently clean - hoover or mop as needed - and both toilets scrubbed without ever having to be nagged or me think about it. She’s a lovely, kind, straight A kid. I have no complaints.

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SteepAndSteel · 29/09/2024 17:27

Firstly, I am willing to bet my own money that you are NOT willing to "buy her anything, forever that she needed".
Well, that's' controlling. Let her by stuff for herself. It's creepy, this level of involvement when your offspring is 17 🤔

easylikeasundaymorn · 29/09/2024 17:21

Firstly, I am willing to bet my own money that you are NOT willing to "buy her anything, forever that she needed".

a - That's a big claim for the rest of her life - will you really buy her a house? Car? Pay for her uni fees? Wedding? All her childcare if she has kids. Buy her groceries for the rest of her life? Sounds hyperbolic....
Given you only pay her £12.50ish a week pocket money (the EMA allowance was £30 p/w when I was 17 twenty years ago!) I'd think you are unlikely to be that generous.

b - You're saying that no matter what she asked for, even if you thought it was a complete waste of money, you'd agree? yeah right.

Secondly, she's 17! Perhaps there's stuff she wants that she doesn't want to ask her mum for! Perhaps she wants to buy a vibrator, lube, condoms, alcohol and a vape out of those vouchers! (you can buy all of the above on amazon....)

Bestyearever2024 · 29/09/2024 16:27

Is @ForkTines coming back I wonder? 😀

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 29/09/2024 16:05

£50 a month pocket money is about £12.50 a week if it's a 4 week month...

what does she have to do with her pocket money ? as that will not pay for much of a social life.

and you are exploiting her by getting her to clean floors and toilets - as a cleaner would cost more every week !

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SteepAndSteel · 29/09/2024 13:51

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2024 13:20

I think the issue is, 17 yo’s don’t necessarily want to be “nurtured” overtly, or bought for. They want independence and acknowledgement that they are a separate person with their own tastes and judgment as to what they need/ want.

This, to me, would be another reason to up her pocket money. She doesn’t want to be bought forever anything she needs, she wants her own money to make that choice.

This ^ 100%

Royalshyness · 29/09/2024 13:23

She a lovely child (adult) to have !!!
amazing .. I would give her the vouchers and an extra months pocket money to be honest

HoppityBun · 29/09/2024 13:21

I voted YABU because you are being completely selfish this is aggressive and unnecessarily hostile. The OP has come on here asking for advice. That’s not being completely selfish. She clearly loves her daughter and she’s been the subject of a pile on by people who can’t be bothered to give their opinion politely and with basic decency. I’d be really upset to read most of the personal criticisms on here if I was the OP

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2024 13:20

ForkTines · 27/09/2024 20:36

Hooboy - I’ve not posted on AIBU for a few years and it’s just as bracing as I thought it might be! 🙂 Like I said - it’s a genuine AIBU (as in I’ve not decided if I’m being unreasonable and am fully aware of the genuine possibility that I am).

Very grateful for all the forthright responses. My main thing is, as some others have said, that I find vouchers soulless. I’d buy her anything, forever that she needed. I feel like gift giving should involve thought and don’t want to nuture an idea that it’s expected, transactional or meaningless. I also accept I might be being sentimental and need to get a grip.

I’ve never bought anyone a generic bit of tat and think that’s genuinely pointless. Nobody needs a body wash and scrub set.

I think the issue is, 17 yo’s don’t necessarily want to be “nurtured” overtly, or bought for. They want independence and acknowledgement that they are a separate person with their own tastes and judgment as to what they need/ want.

This, to me, would be another reason to up her pocket money. She doesn’t want to be bought forever anything she needs, she wants her own money to make that choice.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2024 13:17

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 27/09/2024 20:07

The point of a gift is to give the recipient pleasure. Half a hundredweight of gift-wrapped tat will please a four year old, but a near-adult wants money because what she wants is what it represents: independence.

I agree with this.

Give her the vouchers. It’s what she would enjoy receiving.

Gifts that are to please the giver aren’t really gifts.

If you like, you can say it will revert to gifts when she leaves home.

FWIW @ForkTines I think she has a lot of chores (with all the mental load of them) for a very small amount of money - the toilet in particular isn’t a nice job, and all the floors is a big one.

£50 a month to never even think about your floors or toilet is an amazing bargain!

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zeibesaffron · 29/09/2024 13:13

I think vouchers or money is fine - she gets a small amount of pocket money so having some extra in her pocket for if and when she sees something she likes would be nice!

Ethylred · 29/09/2024 13:01

I voted YABU because you are being completely selfish and U about the vouchers AND because you are grossly underpaying her for all that cleaning.

OrdsallChord · 29/09/2024 12:54

Motnight · 29/09/2024 12:32

Well that's exactly what my MIL was! Never asked what anyone wanted for Xmas and birthday, spent obscene amounts of money on absolute crap that no one used. I never knew present giving could be so weaponised until I met her.

It's definitely a thing!

Ellepff · 29/09/2024 12:41

Smartiepants79 · 27/09/2024 19:54

Find a compromise, some of it as a voucher but she has to come up with a few suggestions of small gifts that you could choose to give her.
My 14 year old has sort of tried to ask for vouchers or money for Xmas and I’ve sort of said no. She will get some vouchers from some family I think but I know she’d actually be really distressed if she woke up Xmas motto nothing to open.
A few gifts and some money is fair enough.

I agree with this! She can make an Amazon list or a real list. And OP can also think of some suggestions. But at that age a big infusion of cash matters. At that age my parents did a lot of hybrid gifts - like small things I wanted plus money and dropping me at the shops for after Christmas sales.

It’s also a good time to talk to DD about different philosophies on gift giving, how you think of the budget etc.

backawayfatty1 · 29/09/2024 12:35

@OOriunda I'd happily let them buy most things they want, including a £50 lipstick without hesitation. At 10, 13, 15 they would waste it on McDonald's, boba tea, bus fares & trainers that didn't fit. Oldest is autistic so when younger, would spend it on her friends (ie they would take advantage). We have open discussions on what's worth while. They get pocket money which they can blow on everything/anything & I have no say. It works well for us

Motnight · 29/09/2024 12:32

OrdsallChord · 29/09/2024 08:02

I always wonder whether people who insist on giving physical gift items because of their own feelings are this controlling when it comes to other aspects of Christmas.

Well that's exactly what my MIL was! Never asked what anyone wanted for Xmas and birthday, spent obscene amounts of money on absolute crap that no one used. I never knew present giving could be so weaponised until I met her.

Oriunda · 29/09/2024 12:22

backawayfatty1 · 29/09/2024 06:58

Just say no. We don't give cash or vouchers as gifts. I tell our kids this any time they ask. They get cash from family and can spend on what they like (most of the time/as long as not wasted). You could meet in the middle and give a smaller value giftcard alongside gifts?

So even the cash they receive from others is controlled by you, in that they’re not allowed to buy what they really want? I wanted a €45 Christian Dior lipstick for my birthday. Just that, nothing else. Might have been seen as wasteful by you, but my lovely friends bought it for me.

redskydarknight · 29/09/2024 11:06

RhiWrites · 28/09/2024 18:41

It’s about both giver and receiver.

i don’t give money or gift cards, I give presents. Maybe they don’t always hit the mark but they’re given with thought and care. (And FWIW I have been told I’m good at it.)

This isn’t a transaction of handing over a prescribed amount of money that’s owed. It’s my choice to give presents to my family members and it’s about our relationship: a test of how well I know them, of creativity and imagination.

The ideal present is something you wouldn’t have thought of yourself but are thrilled to get.

If you are my mother, can I take the opportunity to tell you that about 57 of your last 60 birthday and Christmas presents are stored in a separate cupboard and have never been used. I would prefer that you showed your thought and care in other ways and gave me nothing. Giving me something I have to pretend to like and compliment you on (yes this people telling you, you are a great gift give are just being polite) is literally worse than nothing at all.

The ideal present is something I know I want but can't justify buying for myself.

Mintyt · 29/09/2024 10:24

You are thinking of you and not your child. She wants something out of budget and will save for it. I get that you see it as a boring transaction, but she will enjoy spending it, give her he voucher and buy her a small gift that you would like her to have

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Beezknees · 29/09/2024 09:39

OrdsallChord · 29/09/2024 08:02

I always wonder whether people who insist on giving physical gift items because of their own feelings are this controlling when it comes to other aspects of Christmas.

Agreed. People are talking about vouchers being "transactional" but there's nothing more transactional than forced fun!

NeedWineNow · 29/09/2024 08:35

I have absolutely no problem with giving vouchers for gifts if that’s what the recipient wants. Once my nephews got older they wanted vouchers. I always wrapped them up in a gift box, and also got them a toiletry gift set and a small fun gift like a mug or silly socks so they had things to open but could use their vouchers for something they really wanted.

Similarly my DH loves vouchers for experiences, dining out vouchers or a cinema or theatre card and I’ve got vouchers for a couple of stores on my Xmas list.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 29/09/2024 08:16

I love vouchers! She probably just wants the freedom of choosing something herself which is perfectly reasonable. I wouldn't think of it in money terms and I don't think it is entitled at all. It does seem more about you wanting to choose things for her, which isn't thinking about her wishes. Get the voucher :)

rookiemere · 29/09/2024 08:10

£50 is not a lot per month for a 17 year old, considering a cinema ticket costs around £10 and the most basic fast food meal out with friends at least that. Particularly when she is doing all the housework, so has less agency to get a part time job somewhere which actually pays her.

Just give her the vouchers. She needs clothes and accessories and all the other things teens want. These are half price on boxing day.

OrdsallChord · 29/09/2024 08:02

Beezknees · 29/09/2024 04:34

Christmas is "about" different things to different people. I couldn't give a monkey's about having things to unwrap under the tree. When DS was little that was all fun but I don't see the need to force it with a teenager if they're not that bothered.

I always wonder whether people who insist on giving physical gift items because of their own feelings are this controlling when it comes to other aspects of Christmas.