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Excluded from grandchildren's life

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GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 13:09

I'm going to try and keep this short but I have 3 sons, one of them moved abroad many years ago for work, it was meant to be short term but he fell in love with a girl 10 years his junior, married her 9 months later and they had a child a year after that. A couple of years ago this same country that they were living in and she was from ended up in a war, they moved to the UK with their 2 children immediately. They live in London, fairly central, they pay way below market rate in rent as someone he works with owns it but it is a tiny 2 bed and they have 2 children, one who has just turned 5 and the other just turned 3.
We have always had issues with them, we weren't invited to the wedding, in fact we didn't know they were married until after the wedding happened! We had never met her. She clearly has no respect for our family but we try to keep the peace.
This year we have seen our grandchildren 2 times, we only live an hour away but they don't let us visit, if we show up uninvited on the weekend, they are always busy. If we ask to go up to see them it is always "no the house is too small for guests". My sons is meant to bring them to see us once a month but most times he ends up coming alone with some excuse. We haven't seen his wife since Christmas!
Our son was meant to be bringing them to see us tomorrow, we have spent £100s on birthday gifts for them as they both had birthdays at the very end of August. Today he has messaged saying sorry we can't come the girls will be too tired after a week at school/nursery, we will see you during half term! This happens every time.
We have had some big fall outs over decisions they make such as his wife continues to take their tiny children to a war torn country to visit her family, putting them through 24 hours of travel to get there and back! My son never goes with her and I don't think he actually agrees with her but lets her do it anyway. It stresses me out when she takes them to there, I worry for their safety so I have voiced that I don't agree with it. We obviously also got off on the wrong foot with the lack of wedding invite to anyone in our family. We only mention things that concern us out of care but it is always taken as an insult.

AIBU to be really hurt they keep excluding us? The grandchildren have spent several weeks this year with their maternal family and they all live in a war torn country, but barely 2 half days with us who live much closer!

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GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 15:01

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:56

We never explicitly called her anything. We expressed concern that the relationship may not be built on honest motives, due to her age and back ground , either of those on their own would not have provoked the same questions.
Obviously if a very attractive much younger woman is showing an interest in someone who would generally not be seen as their type or who is clearly much better off financially it is fair to question. We apologised when we were told we were wrong.

How do you know what her type was? She was in her twenties and so was your son.
There are lots of couples with 9 years as an age gap. It's not like your son was in his late 30s. And why does her being very attractive come as a worry? Can only unattractive women fall in love with men a bit older than them?

The misogyny is dripping from your comments, not to mention the racism. You made a huge mistake and while you apologised, you didn't really believe you'd said anything wrong, and you still don't - that's clear.

And that's why they want nothing to do with you.

LadyWiddiothethird · 27/09/2024 15:00

You are the problem OP,you sound judgemental,selfish and entitled.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 27/09/2024 15:00

clearly the OP had not done anything to the DIL previously

@Greenfinch7 apart from badmouth her to all and sundry you mean?

SoddingSoda · 27/09/2024 15:00

Let me guess, the presents you’ve got for the children are ones that you’ve picked out. Did you ask your son what the children wanted/needed for their birthdays? Does he know what you’ve got?

You said you’ve spent £££ on birthday gifts, are they large by any chance?

Why didn’t you send them?

Edenmum2 · 27/09/2024 15:00

I'm afraid the gold digger accusation is not really something you get to apologise for and move on from. I think you need to make peace with not seeing your grandchildren and just be grateful for whatever time you are afforded with them.

Week01 · 27/09/2024 14:59

It's not fair to question, you've stuck your nose in at every single angle.

Greenfinch7 · 27/09/2024 14:59

People re very harsh to the OP. It is extremely hurtful not to be invited to a wedding, and clearly the OP had not done anything to the DIL previously as they had never met. It sounds like your son married a controlling woman and is completely under her thumb.

booisbooming · 27/09/2024 14:59

Any compassion for this poor young mum? Your grandchildren are literally half-Ukrainian, OP. The war affects them directly. They have grandparents over there too! They are enormously lucky to be alive, your DIL will be struggling enormously with constant news reports and 2.5 years of wondering if her family are OK, and all she's got is contempt from her in-laws whose racism is showing.

MrsSunshine2b · 27/09/2024 14:58

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 13:59

We initially expressed some concern that this may be the case, it was from wanting protect DS rather than being prejudiced. When we were told we were wrong we apologised.

So in several years of not really knowing her or being involved in the children's lives, you've already called her a gold-digger and implied she's a bad parent putting her children's safety at risk for visiting her family in Ukraine. It's not up to you to decide what's "fair" to children you don't even know!

If you manage to be THIS judgemental and interfering when they keep you at a distance, I dread to think how unbearable you'd be if they relaxed the boundaries.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 27/09/2024 14:58

Obviously if a very attractive much younger woman is showing an interest in someone who would generally not be seen as their type or who is clearly much better off financially it is fair to question

Absolutely zero doubt in anyone’s mind apart from yours why your son can’t be arsed with this poison.

goodboystepup · 27/09/2024 14:58

OP, is it not clear to you that you are the cause of this issue?

Victoriasponge12 · 27/09/2024 14:58

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 13:59

We initially expressed some concern that this may be the case, it was from wanting protect DS rather than being prejudiced. When we were told we were wrong we apologised.

… and there it is. I’d bet that this is exactly why you do not have the relationship with your DGC that you would like.

It also seems like you have a real lack of awareness as to the consequence of your behaviour. I can’t imagine that this is helping the situation.

eggplant16 · 27/09/2024 14:57

What do you mean....age and background please? Is she from a poor family?

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:56

GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 14:53

The fact you are still ignoring the absolute hand grenade you threw out about calling his wife a foreign gold digger speaks volumes.

I can more than hazard a guess as to why your son and his wife are avoiding you.

Edited

We never explicitly called her anything. We expressed concern that the relationship may not be built on honest motives, due to her age and back ground , either of those on their own would not have provoked the same questions.
Obviously if a very attractive much younger woman is showing an interest in someone who would generally not be seen as their type or who is clearly much better off financially it is fair to question. We apologised when we were told we were wrong.

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GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 14:53

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:51

What do you mean by not his kids?

The fact you are still ignoring the absolute hand grenade you threw out about calling his wife a foreign gold digger speaks volumes.

I can more than hazard a guess as to why your son and his wife are avoiding you.

Imperfectionist · 27/09/2024 14:53

Sorry I was being flippant in searching for reasons why a father wouldn’t stop his young children being taken into an active war zone. I’m sure they are. But most people wouldn’t fathom allowing this for their kids, unless circumstances demanded it.

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:51

Imperfectionist · 27/09/2024 14:50

Maybe he doesn’t think it’s safe but can’t stop the children going?

Or maybe he thinks it is safe? Or he doesn’t care? Or they’re not his kids?

Either way you can’t ask him given precarious state of your relationship, and you have to stay out of it, and never mention it, if you want to know the grandchildren in future. And just pray nothing bad happens to them while visiting Ukraine.

What do you mean by not his kids?

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Imperfectionist · 27/09/2024 14:50

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:48

Well that is my point exactly, if he doesn't think it is safe for him how could it be safe for his small children.

Maybe he doesn’t think it’s safe but can’t stop the children going?

Or maybe he thinks it is safe? Or he doesn’t care? Or they’re not his kids?

Either way you can’t ask him given precarious state of your relationship, and you have to stay out of it, and never mention it, if you want to know the grandchildren in future. And just pray nothing bad happens to them while visiting Ukraine.

Demonhunter · 27/09/2024 14:50

I dont think the concerns at it being Ukraine are unreasonable, many sought refuge here so yes it is a dangerous place. As for the rest, it's hard to say when we don't know the complete story. Not allowing a relationship with GC over disagreements about adult choices is deemed petty on other posts. Unfortunately not much you can do OP, if they won't let you, they won't let you.

Calliopespa · 27/09/2024 14:49

To be honest oP I am sorry for your situation, but there has to be a backstory.

People just don’t simply decide not to involve family members on a whim.

I’m not saying the reason is necessarily your fault, but your post is just a slice of information, namely your feelings about the situation as it stands. No one can really offer much feedback of value on that basis, except sorry it has come to this.

Star81 · 27/09/2024 14:49

I think you need to step back here and admit some of what you’ve done isn’t right and may unfortunately have damaged your relationship forever.

You have said that you questioned their relationship to begin with and although you did apologise words one said can never be forgotten. You also say that when you turn up uninvited to their home they don’t want to see you. I don’t see why you would turn up uninvited when you know what the situation is like. This is probably just causing more stress to this relationship. You also see that he doesn’t have much contact with his brothers and they also invited to the wedding. Was there issues with the family dynamic before he met his wife?

his wife clearly feels you don’t like her and given some of the background you’ve given I can understand her not wanting to be involved with you and your family at the moment. It’s a difficult situation, but I don’t think you can solely blame them for this which is what your post comes across as you are doing.

Ozanj · 27/09/2024 14:49
  1. Only Send the gc a card on their birthdays. Reserve gifts (including money) for only when you see them. You need to be firm about this as this is exactly what her family in the Ukraine would do.
  2. Don’t ask to see the gc any more. You have other gc who see you more and are busy with them. Let them come to you.
Bigcat25 · 27/09/2024 14:48

Op, the comments here are harsh. (My family is quite quick to offer opinions even though we are fairly quiet so I get it to a degree.) However, they aren't going to take your opinions on board so you must stop giving them if you want things to improve.

I can see why you are hurt thought, no invite before the bride has even met you, and then saying it's too tiring for the kids to have a mere visit, when they aren't too tired to go to Ukraine. It's obviously disingenuous on their part.

eggplant16 · 27/09/2024 14:48

What is it you would like OP? Do you have an interesting life with lots of hobbies, volunteering or work?

GrandmDEA · 27/09/2024 14:48

Imperfectionist · 27/09/2024 14:46

Maybe your son doesn’t visit Ukraine with his wife and young children because it is so unsafe?

The UK Government Foreign Office advises against all travel to Ukraine. There is a high threat of missile and drone attacks in Kyiv.

Official stats point to 42 civilians being killed every day, including children.

Who would want to risk that, unless it was essential and life saving travel?

Well that is my point exactly, if he doesn't think it is safe for him how could it be safe for his small children.

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