Page 9 | Child identifies as a wolf ... WTF?

Portakalkedi · 2024-09-27T11:15:46+00:00

Just on Radio 4 now, discussing a child in secondary school who identifies as a wolf, and the school is going along with this. AIBU to think the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad? If said child is living in the woods, catching its own prey etc etc, howling and running with other wolves, which I doubt, then why the hell is anyone going along with it? They are also saying that some others identify as dogs or cats etc. And here was me thinking men 'identifying' as women was bad.

GingerBeverage · 28/09/2024 22:17

Finally saw on of these kids today. Looked like a homemade fox mask on her head and a fox tail hanging out back of her trousers.

HJON · 28/09/2024 22:14

There is a very good reason children are not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, drive, vote etc… its lunacy to indulge this.

TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 22:12

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 22:05

Yes they are, but if someone with XX chromosomes and a womb has a penis, which has happened, are they automatically a man?

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Having a womb and a penis would make someone an EXTREME outlier. We are talking about the most edge of edge examples, which are broadly speaking totally irrelevant as the vast, vast majority of those identifying as transwomen are unambiguous biological males.

The litmus test though is gametes. Females have systems set up to produce large gametes, males small gametes. The example you've posited is (as I say) ridiculously rare but this person has no capacity to produce large gametes and as such, their sex is male, is not in question, despite having a DSD

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 22:11

Talkinpeace · 28/09/2024 22:11

But it hasn't
Mammal biology has been set for millions of years

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Yes it has…

https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/what-puberty-is-like-as-an-intersex-person

What it’s like going through puberty when you’re intersex

Puberty makes very little sense when your parents tell you that you’re a boy, but your breasts and monthly cramping say otherwise.

https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/what-puberty-is-like-as-an-intersex-person

Talkinpeace · 28/09/2024 22:11

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 22:05

Yes they are, but if someone with XX chromosomes and a womb has a penis, which has happened, are they automatically a man?

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But it hasn't
Mammal biology has been set for millions of years

FreddieTheFox · 28/09/2024 22:10

Feed the child dog food at lunchtime and see if it re-identifies as a human being within 5 seconds.

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 22:05

TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 22:00

All 'intersex' people are either male or female though. It is more accurately described as a difference of sexual development. The biological classifications of male and female have been fundamental to mammalian existence for millennia. It absolutely is a reliable classifier.

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Yes they are, but if someone with XX chromosomes and a womb has a penis, which has happened, are they automatically a man?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 28/09/2024 22:03

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:42

Potentially ones who no longer have a penis and make a full transition? I’m not sure many men would cut their penis off to be able to get closer to women, I’m sure someone will come along and tell me I’m wrong soon enough though.

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TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 22:00

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:56

No-one is denying science, but it’s not like people have their chromosomes stamped on their foreheads so they can be correctly categorised. And intersex is a scientific reality therefore genitalia isn’t necessarily a reliable way to categorise people.

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All 'intersex' people are either male or female though. It is more accurately described as a difference of sexual development. The biological classifications of male and female have been fundamental to mammalian existence for millennia. It absolutely is a reliable classifier.

HVfan · 28/09/2024 21:59

I would not want to see a naked person with a penis at the age of 16 in a space expecting me to disrobe as well.

Willwetalk · 28/09/2024 21:57

HowardTJMoon · 27/09/2024 13:17

Sure, furries exist. That's not the point. The point of these bullshit stories is to make people scared about "wokeness" infiltrating schools and indoctrinating children.

It's a conveyor belt of radicalisation. First you get them scared/offended about kids with litter trays at school. Then it's scared/offended by trans people. Then it's scared/offended by drag queens. Then it's scared/offended by gays and lesbians. Eventually you end up at scared/offended by anyone who isn't exactly like you. It's dog-whistle politics all the way down.

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I get your point but I'm not remotely offended by gay people, trans people or drag queens. I do, however, think that children identifying as animals and there being an expectation that schools have to cater to this is problematic.

Bignanna · 28/09/2024 21:57

Breakfastsmoothie · 27/09/2024 12:27

Why does a cat need to go to school?

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To purrsue their education?

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:56

TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 21:51

Transwomen are men though. Biology is key. This is no reflection on people's 'character' but their sex. Again, mind blowing that this needs to be said. When did science denial become the in thing?

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No-one is denying science, but it’s not like people have their chromosomes stamped on their foreheads so they can be correctly categorised. And intersex is a scientific reality therefore genitalia isn’t necessarily a reliable way to categorise people.

TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 21:53

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:39

No of course they aren’t saints, but then who is. Women can also be violent. Maybe if men are dangerous we should just get rid of them all. My point is just because a certain % of a gender or a sector of society commit heinous crimes doesn’t mean they all do. Or are all white women Myra Hindley or Rose West? Being born with a vagina doesn’t make someone a saint either.

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The point is not that all transwomen are dangerous. The point is that all transwomen are men. If you believe in the importance of single sex spaces, why should some men be granted access to women's spaces but not others?

TheKeatingFive · 28/09/2024 21:51

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:06

The first few comments were transphobic.
Trans-woman are not men, that’s the whole point. Yes there have been cases of apparently trans-women committing rape etc, however I would imagine that they aren’t actually trans and instead using that ‘identity’ in order to gain easier access to women. A genuine trans-woman is no more likely to rape someone than another woman is, nor are they anymore interested in seeing someone’s bits than any other woman. Astonishing that this needs to be pointed out. Although, given the fact you can’t see past what genitalia someone has determining their character, probably not so astonishing.

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Transwomen are men though. Biology is key. This is no reflection on people's 'character' but their sex. Again, mind blowing that this needs to be said. When did science denial become the in thing?

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:45

duc748 · 28/09/2024 21:13

A genuine trans-woman is no more likely to rape someone than another woman

Even that's not true, because...

You don’t need a penis to rape someone..

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:44

HVfan · 28/09/2024 21:31

All you thinking it all real are free to share a hospital room, dressing room and prison cell with a person wanting to make the transition in either direction. For a time it was changing gender stereotypes which should make all this unnecessary. Boys and girls are taught to read. Both can knit. Everyone can go to college. At least in the west. Just see what they do in some countries. Executed..

Sharing toilets or a dressing room with cubicles is very different to sharing a prison cell or a hospital room though. Personally I don’t like sharing hospital rooms, toilets or dressing rooms with anyone, man or woman. Can’t comment on jail as I’ve never been to one.

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:42

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 28/09/2024 21:10

How do you tell the difference between a genuine trans woman and a man who is using the identity as an excuse?

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Potentially ones who no longer have a penis and make a full transition? I’m not sure many men would cut their penis off to be able to get closer to women, I’m sure someone will come along and tell me I’m wrong soon enough though.

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:39

Alltheprettyseahorses · 28/09/2024 21:22

No true transwoman eh? Transpeople are not saints: they are human beings with all the strengths and failings that come with it. Biological sex is certainly relevant as men commit 90%+ of all violent crimes.

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No of course they aren’t saints, but then who is. Women can also be violent. Maybe if men are dangerous we should just get rid of them all. My point is just because a certain % of a gender or a sector of society commit heinous crimes doesn’t mean they all do. Or are all white women Myra Hindley or Rose West? Being born with a vagina doesn’t make someone a saint either.

HVfan · 28/09/2024 21:31

All you thinking it all real are free to share a hospital room, dressing room and prison cell with a person wanting to make the transition in either direction. For a time it was changing gender stereotypes which should make all this unnecessary. Boys and girls are taught to read. Both can knit. Everyone can go to college. At least in the west. Just see what they do in some countries. Executed..

ToNiceWithSpice · 28/09/2024 21:30

There's a girl who identifies as a therian in ds 13s class, she wears a wolf mask and tail and post herself jumping and crawling about on SM. Obviously school don't allow it on school time

I worry for kids like this, it's utterly ridiculous

HVfan · 28/09/2024 21:24

I am not afraid of people who say they are the other gender. No phobia. I am afraid for them.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 28/09/2024 21:22

Throwawaygh · 28/09/2024 21:06

The first few comments were transphobic.
Trans-woman are not men, that’s the whole point. Yes there have been cases of apparently trans-women committing rape etc, however I would imagine that they aren’t actually trans and instead using that ‘identity’ in order to gain easier access to women. A genuine trans-woman is no more likely to rape someone than another woman is, nor are they anymore interested in seeing someone’s bits than any other woman. Astonishing that this needs to be pointed out. Although, given the fact you can’t see past what genitalia someone has determining their character, probably not so astonishing.

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No true transwoman eh? Transpeople are not saints: they are human beings with all the strengths and failings that come with it. Biological sex is certainly relevant as men commit 90%+ of all violent crimes.

duc748 · 28/09/2024 21:13

A genuine trans-woman is no more likely to rape someone than another woman

Even that's not true, because...

HVfan · 28/09/2024 21:13

XX, XY It is assigned from the beginning. People might later on prefer to be the other based on influence.