Child identifies as a wolf ... WTF?

European Christian’s didn’t really get to the Egyptians. At least they were not on the scene for very long. It was forbidden in the empire Egypt was under for centuries, in place a few centuries then suppressed again ever since. Only a tiny part of the population technically Christian. And Greece the first Christian European country save Turkey bordering two continents. Before Christianity Greeks also used to abuse children in that particularly horrific way. Please don’t make me even type it out. Surely just cause it was done in the past does not mean it should be done in present day. Christianity ended infanticide as well. Christianity brought literacy to the masses and hospitals. Ask for the tuition back. Of course there have always been homosexuals. That is a matter of you like who you like. Not who you are. The Native Americans you speak of have strengths and warts like Christians and Greeks and everyone else. There were a few born or having an injury at a bris secular usually rare but it happens. Doctors told parents to pick. Then they fixed it. Sadly the children grew up and told all they picked wrong. Went against XX,XY. Later they decided to tell parents until the child grew up. Cause you can’t reattach balls.. There are hormone considerations. They ended up medical patients for life. And unhappy. I am woman. XX is why. I could have a hysterectomy for medical purposes or mastectomy and I would still be female because of XX. It’s body mortification. Why can’t the male who knows they are female just put on a dress and stay intact? If the physical does not matter to the identity?

What is new is prepubescent children claiming this and adults not thinking it could simply be a phase that comes and goes. If you were 21 and told me you were in the wrong body in 1993 I would have believed you. Now I just think it’s influence and other things going on with the individual or their parents. Attention seeking, depressed or anxious and someone promising them this will fix it when it won’t. This will be the eugenics program of the U.S., the laundries in Ireland, etc… Years from now adults will be asking for apologies and compensation for being rendered sterile and losing body parts they just can’t get back as minors. This seems to have really exploded during COVID. Going back to school everyone decided to declare pronouns on their emails. I don’t envy the people affected by this. Why not an animal? Why not another race? My BMI is not the best. But I told my doctor I identify as skinny. I was kidding of course. I was once’s when young. Why can’t I continue to have that perception and identity? Darn scale. It measures. Just like XX, XY is something that can be measured. Weird how the just trust science does not apply to this. Just cause you can change someone does not mean you should immediately. It used to be people were told to live as the other gender for a year. They got regular therapy as well for that time.

Gender non conforming people have always existed, sure.

Giving GNC people the option of a 'legal sex' that's different to their biological sex is entirely new.

Revisionist history.

An estimated 2% of the population has a DSD

1, The 2% number has been debunked as a gross overestimation
2, What do DSDs have to do with being transgender?

God, I don't know how you stand it! Back in ye olden days, I was a creator on Second Life. It was full of virtual furries, being disgusting to the point they'd be rapists in real life (you couldn't rape an avatar in SL, for clarity. It was the way they talked.) At first I didn't get why there were so many squirrels and cats flying around, I found it funny. They did NOT like being laughed at.

Homosexuals and trans people have always existed. It was common in Egyptian and Greek society, Native Americans had 5 genders until the European christians got to them. Man, woman, man living as a woman, woman living as man and two spirts. To to Two spirit was considered to be a get blessing on the family and tribe.

Giving Wolf the attention by being on Radio programme is a nice way to reinforce the in-human behavior.

I feel very unsafe with wolf people in community.

That 2% is predominately made up of DSDs that are totally unambiguous in terms of sex.

Your person with a womb/penis is an extreme outlier. Perhaps a handful of such people have ever existed. That is miles away from 2%.

There also appears to be pretty much zero correlation between those with these complex DSDs and those declaring themselves trans. Bringing DSDs is almost entirely irrelevant, simply an attempt to muddy the waters, rather than having any specificity to trans people.

So yes, transwomen are men. It's a defining characteristic in fact.

Its also got precisely zero to do with gay rights and increasingly, gay people are asking to decouple the T from the LBG.

So, again, I'm not seeing what is transphobic about any of this. Trans people deserve to be safe of course, but calling out their real sex is just statement of facts.

The reason why they've come up on this thread has been extensively explained.

Also bringing up sororities. Lots of shared quarters. No one worries about sharing with a person of the same gender who is gay. But they do worry about sharing the same private space with a man who identifies as female. It’s not only about sexual assault. It’s just uncomfortable. There’s a fairly covered law suit and the women describe the female as having an erection at time while staring at them. When I was a kid there was a movie revenge of the nerds. It centered around frats and sororities. The nerds made up their own and a guy, very questionable in sexuality: identity or attraction was with the fraternity and accepted, he was not a nerd but didn’t feel he fit in. Not the sorority. I say questionable cause they really didn’t explain it then and likely would revisionist the entire character today. It was the 80’s. Of course the real revenge came from cell phones and the salary provided from software engineering. Those athletes didn’t stand a chance.

Yeah but is it true though...?

I've voted YABU
For swallowing any old bollocks you read.

The issue is all over the west though. We have had news reports of attempted or actual rape of children in the girls washroom where a man/woman was in there claiming to be female. This was over 5 years ago. I had the opposite problem as a boy mom. What age could he go in alone that I would not have to worry about it? Just in general not the trans thing. They are all so exposed with the open urinals. He is a vulnerable child as well. Even in early teens he would first go see if empty besides him and then go and use a stall. He didn’t like flushing sounds to come unexpected from other stalls so I got lucky he could be more cautious. A number of places started putting in family bathrooms about 15 years ago, then they renamed them gender neutral. Meant originally for mom and stroller with a couple of kids enough room for her to manage. Or meant for dad or like me with a son. Anyone can use them. But many places still one or the other. But then I walked into one the other day and urine on floor and the rim and the seat up. Ick. You know you won’t find such things in a government building in China, or a shopping center in Gaza in 2021. Someone wants the west beating themselves up over craziness.

An estimated 2% of the population has a DSD

This is not true.

So yes while some trans women are biologically male, others may have DSD and unless you start doing extreme genetic testing on everyone, you can’t just rule that all trans women are men.

All transwomen are men. HTH.

That’s the campaigners though, the trans people I know just want to be safe and not be othered. They feel safer in a woman’s toilet than a man’s but actually most I know prefer to use a disabled toilet and not have to come into contact with anyone that’s going to judge them. Men who are inclined to rape will do so, using whatever opportunity they have and a space being designated as female won’t stop them.

But I’m not in the US, I’m in Scotland where the supposed wolf child is. They have unisex toilets here and they’re all cubicles, one of the late bars has had them for about 15 years, we were all shocked at first but it became normal and I’ve never heard of anyone being raped or assaulted in them. If there’s no cubicles then it’s different but there’s no way I would go to uni and pay to share a dorm to be randomly assigned with anyone, man or woman. Guess I’ll add that to the reasons I’m glad I wasn’t born in the US.

In the U.S. high school locker rooms don’t have private spaces like cubbies. It’s lockers against the four walls and people in full of each other changing. What about a roommate. You are free to have a born male in sharing your female bedroom cause they are female inside. Now imagine there is a shared bathroom on the floor but the bedroom you will have to change in front of and sleep before transition.

That is not how dressing rooms are in the U.S. There are no cubicles. There are lockers all around the room on the walls and you undress in front of everyone.

Can't believe I just read a bunch of adults tearing into children. Someone actually referred to children as "it" in the most dehumanising way.

How come when a child (or adult) has behaviour that signals a problem, people attack and ridicule them for it, saying "they're just doing it for attention" and "clearly they need help".

Yes, they do - that's the point? They're asking for help indirectly, so help them get help.

I don't understand or think all this therian stuff is good either and I'd rightly be concerned if it was my kid. But people like you are the reasons kids who need help and are struggling end up struggling more, because you pass your judgemental, bullying attitude on to your own child who ends up being the bully in school. And likely you blame the child who needs help, telling them they deserve it and "brought it on themselves" instead of having basic empathy.

Absolutely disgusting behaviour. Grow up. Set an example for these kids struggling and your own.

A lad did this at my sons school. Even changed his name and everything. Hes still the same at college.

None of us think trans people's safety isn't important.

We just don't think women's safety (and rights) should come second to anybody else's.

I want trans people to be safe, happy and well. I don't want that to be at the expense of women's spaces, safety, sports, places and rights. I would support trans categories in sports, 3rd space bathrooms, and so on. The trouble is that trans rights campaigners don't on the whole want that. They want access to women's things, and they don't want conversations to be allowed about if that's reasonable and fair on women.

You really do, under English law.

Okay.

How do you and I know if somebody who enters a women's only space has had their penis cut off, or if they're a man dressing up as a woman for potentially nefarious purposes?

An estimated 2% of the population has a DSD. So yes while some trans women are biologically male, others may have DSD and unless you start doing extreme genetic testing on everyone, you can’t just rule that all trans women are men.
People on this thread are likening kids believing they’re animals (which is biologically impossible) with being trans and belittling trans people at the same time. Transgender people are over 4 times likely to be assaulted, including sexually.
Do I think someone proclaiming to identify as a woman means they should automatically be granted access to single-sex space - no. But I think there is a lot of transphobia on this thread and some of the vocabulary is reminiscent of when it used to be acceptable to think being gay was just a phase. We need to find a way to balance the needs and safety of everyone in a society and not just decide that the safety of some people who are ‘different to the norm’ isn’t as important.

Of course transwomen are men, it's not possible to be a transwoman unless you're a man.