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Child identifies as a wolf ... WTF?

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Portakalkedi · 27/09/2024 12:15

Just on Radio 4 now, discussing a child in secondary school who identifies as a wolf, and the school is going along with this. AIBU to think the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad? If said child is living in the woods, catching its own prey etc etc, howling and running with other wolves, which I doubt, then why the hell is anyone going along with it? They are also saying that some others identify as dogs or cats etc. And here was me thinking men 'identifying' as women was bad.

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 27/09/2024 15:52

Well I’d like to identify as 5’10” size 6 supermodel with the IQ of Einstein and the bank balance of Richard Branson but the mirror ( and common sense) tells me otherwise. Why don’t the child’s parents tell her/him to keep the wolf for the weekends then they can shit in the woods and catch their own food. One wet weekend will stop the nonsense.

Cheekymonkye · 27/09/2024 15:50

Hmmm a wolf on school grounds? I would imagine that it would be shot . That would probably solve the problem quickly enough.

Thisthere · 27/09/2024 15:49

I do wish transphobes would get a life

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 27/09/2024 15:47

WindowsSmindows · 27/09/2024 12:20

I'm not about to listen to it, does it sound believable?
I've not ever heard a first hand believable account of this nonsense.
I want to believe it's true though because if a boy can become a girl by stamping his feet and blinking twice or whatever bullshit, then why not a cat or tiger or wolf
Bring it on, expose the nonsense.
I identify as an old lady, where is my pension, cup of tea and grandbaby???

Wasn't there a fella in prison who identifies as a baby?

Quick Google, yep.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trans-murderer-prison-identify-baby-26669658

Trans Scots killer identifying as infant demands nappies and baby food in jail

Sophie Eastwood, formerly Daniel, is demanding nappies to wear and food to be blended like a baby's and has already been supplied with a dummy at Polmont prison.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trans-murderer-prison-identify-baby-26669658

Cattyisbatty · 27/09/2024 15:46

KnittedCardi · 27/09/2024 12:32

Cats don't go to the loo on the grass. They dig a hole, cover it up. Then lick their paws and arse clean. If they are not doing that, they are not a cat.

Mine does, she’s a bugger for it!

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 15:36

samarrange · 27/09/2024 15:32

Here's the story. It's a week old, and it was covered by (are you sitting down?) the Mail, the Express, and GB News, so I'm surprised there wasn't a thread about it until now.

Apparently the school and local authority are in Scotland, but neither have been actually named. I'm sure that's definitely not because the whole story is culture-war bollocks.

And The Telegraph and a bunch of other places. Who knows if this particular case is true. I do know there are people out there who do identify as animals though.

I don't know why people find mental illness so hard to believe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/19/schoolboy-uk-allowed-identify-as-a-wolf/

Schoolboy ‘allowed to identify as a wolf’

Teachers reportedly supporting the pupil who claims to be suffering from ‘species dysphoria’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/19/schoolboy-uk-allowed-identify-as-a-wolf

mycatsbestfriend · 27/09/2024 15:34

I used to wish I was a cat when I was a little girl. I wanted people to think I was cute and mew at them, but I was too shy to do it. Probably in todays world I would have transformed into one

samarrange · 27/09/2024 15:32

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/09/2024 12:43

Happy right wing trope day everybody🎂🎉

Here's the story. It's a week old, and it was covered by (are you sitting down?) the Mail, the Express, and GB News, so I'm surprised there wasn't a thread about it until now.

Apparently the school and local authority are in Scotland, but neither have been actually named. I'm sure that's definitely not because the whole story is culture-war bollocks.

School pupil with an 'animal persona' allowed to identify as wolf after suffering from 'species dysphoria'

A school pupil has been allowed to self-identify as a wolf by her teacher after claiming she had an "animal persona" and belonged to a different species.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/school-pupil-identify-wolf-animal-persona-allowed-teachers/

Trishthedish · 27/09/2024 15:31

ChanelBoucle · 27/09/2024 13:05

I was listening to this just earlier. While doing so, I found myself thinking that we have totally lost the plot as a society now. A couple of decades ago, it was the done thing to humour kids for their phases and foibles as they went through adolescence, to take it all fairly light heartedly and in good humour, but there were limits and kids respected that.

For example, I fancied myself as a bit of a goth when I was 13/14, and my mum humoured me and went along with it, buying me whatever gothy stuff I wanted for Christmas, allowing me to play my goth music in the car and not crying too much when I dyed my hair black and pierced my ears in several places. I knew however that I had to wear correct uniform for school and behave in a courteous and respectful manner. Not that being goth and being courteous are mutually exclusive ofc but you get my drift I hope. I dunno, there were just boundaries.

A couple of years later I moved on to the next thing, we had a bit of a laugh and I had a bit of a cringe but that was it. Nowadays, we have po-faced guest speakers on R4 actually trying to psychoanalyse this nonsense. These kids are never going to look back and see this light heartedly, instead they’ll see it as some kind of intrinsic psychological trauma personality trait thing that they’ll carry for the rest of their lives and what should be seen as a phase, a form of healthy rebellion even, is being taken way out of context and that is why I truly believe the world is going mad.

Couldn’t agree more. I’m in my 60’s as as I was growing these were all phases, you grew out of them. No one made a fuss or believed you. The trouble these days is that they are believed. I worked in a girls school and an old colleague tells me that they now have a pupil who identifies as a boy and she is permitted to wear trousers. None of the other pupils are. Utter fucking madness. If she identifies as a boy she should fuck off to a boys school. Girls need safe spaces and entertaining this phase is potty imo.

FrostFlowers2025 · 27/09/2024 15:27

It had to come to this. If anyone can identify as anything, then someone eventually will and children are particularly susceptible to this. I remember the story of two children who believed they were pokemon and jumped out of window.

isthesolution · 27/09/2024 15:22

We recently went to a soft play and there were children (around age 12/13) dressed as and acting as animals and videoing each other.

I'm ok with children playing - dressing up as doctors, fireman, superheroes and animals but not actually believing that they are this thing.

Like others have said - we've told these children they can be what they want and they firmly believe it's the case. You want to be a different sex? Ok. You want to be a wolf? Why not.

It's TERRIFYING that despite the 'love yourself for who you are' posts we also have this idea that if you don't love who you are you can just be someone else. It's insane.

ntmdino · 27/09/2024 15:17

nosmartphone · 27/09/2024 13:27

Have you started parenting yet or are you still trying to be your child's friend?

(you're the problem everyone else is talking about, just in case you didn't know)

As it happens, I think I've pretty much completed parenting. Our daughter's 30, and doing really rather well in life.

Thanks for asking, though.

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 15:14

I’d agree most don’t but there are absolutely some who do I think they call themselves something else though.

i don’t know why it’s so hard to believe. My brother has schizophrenia and he believes some mind blowingly insane things quite sincerely and will often get upset if we very kindly do not agree those things are true. This kind of thing isn’t real much different at the end of the day. People and brains are weird.

SonicTheHodgeheg · 27/09/2024 15:12

1) there is no compelling evidence anyone identifies as an animal to the same extent as a trans person identifies as the opposite gender

When a child (this thread is about children) tell me that they have a gender identity, I treat it as seriously as them telling me that they are a cat. Both kids probably equally believe in those statements in that moment.

booisbooming · 27/09/2024 15:11

Furries don't really think they're cats any more than goths wouldn't seek medical help in an emergency on account of them being already undead.

We should absolutely turn the internet off and on again, it's cringe, but that applies just as much to the people who fall for the Daily Mail clickbait as it does to teenagers who have spent too long on Reddit.

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 15:11

EmoIsntDead · 27/09/2024 15:04

As a teacher I can assure you we don’t want to pander to this shite. But with pressure from parents, council, unions etc we have no choice.

Sorry you're having to deal with this, what an awful time to be a teacher.

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 15:07

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 15:05

Men don't identify as women in any meaningful way either. It's usually all about the clothes and the makeup, never the mental load women tend to take on in the household, the gender pay gap, dealing with women's specific health issues or hormone cycles, the different expectations of women socially, emotionally, as a caregiver, etc. It's totally superficial

And apart from that, the argument isn’t that they’re cats, just that they think they are and if they’re delusional enough to think that they’re probably delusional enough to think they can be a cat who walks on two legs and poos on a regular toilet etc.

of course many of them will just plain be pretending and then the issue is why is a angle person pander to them.

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 15:05

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 15:01

If someone genuinely believed they were a cat, and wanted to live "as a cat":

  1. they'd be on 4 legs all the time
  2. they'd be an obligate carnivore and only eat meat
  3. they'd spend 22 hours a day asleep
  4. they'd be up trees etc
  5. they wouldn't be able to use their thumbs so no phone, TV, cloths (cos buttons and zips).

They would be pretty obvious in society. They aren't there. I think it wouldn't take long for a bipedal ape pretending to be a cat to get injured, sick or bored of the lifestyle.

This is what I mean. There is a difference between "logically it's the same" and "in reality people identify as cats". In reality people don't identify as cats in any meaningful way and it's about as relevant as them believing in God. Meh.

Men don't identify as women in any meaningful way either. It's usually all about the clothes and the makeup, never the mental load women tend to take on in the household, the gender pay gap, dealing with women's specific health issues or hormone cycles, the different expectations of women socially, emotionally, as a caregiver, etc. It's totally superficial

EmoIsntDead · 27/09/2024 15:04

XenoBitch · 27/09/2024 13:13

I have a friend who spent some time in psychiatric units as a teen. She told me about a teen boy there who said he was a cat. He would meow and climb the furniture.
That is where these kids should be... in hospital. Not being pandered to in schools.

As a teacher I can assure you we don’t want to pander to this shite. But with pressure from parents, council, unions etc we have no choice.

Purspectiveplease · 27/09/2024 15:04

When I lived in Sweden, I had an aquaintance who self-identified as a cat. There was a TV show made about her so I presume it's fairly rare. She successfully used legislation for transexual humans to protect her rights as a transpecies cat. That was about 7 years ago now, so it's hardly surprising it has happened somewhere else too. I think the logic she used was, if you can self-identify your sex, why not your skin colour, age and species.

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 15:02

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 15:01

If someone genuinely believed they were a cat, and wanted to live "as a cat":

  1. they'd be on 4 legs all the time
  2. they'd be an obligate carnivore and only eat meat
  3. they'd spend 22 hours a day asleep
  4. they'd be up trees etc
  5. they wouldn't be able to use their thumbs so no phone, TV, cloths (cos buttons and zips).

They would be pretty obvious in society. They aren't there. I think it wouldn't take long for a bipedal ape pretending to be a cat to get injured, sick or bored of the lifestyle.

This is what I mean. There is a difference between "logically it's the same" and "in reality people identify as cats". In reality people don't identify as cats in any meaningful way and it's about as relevant as them believing in God. Meh.

But the same could be said for men who identify as women couldn’t it? They don’t do everything women do because they can’t because they aren’t the same at all. Doesn’t stop them. Doesn’t mean they haven’t deluded themselves into thinking they are that thing does it?

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 15:01

If someone genuinely believed they were a cat, and wanted to live "as a cat":

  1. they'd be on 4 legs all the time
  2. they'd be an obligate carnivore and only eat meat
  3. they'd spend 22 hours a day asleep
  4. they'd be up trees etc
  5. they wouldn't be able to use their thumbs so no phone, TV, cloths (cos buttons and zips).

They would be pretty obvious in society. They aren't there. I think it wouldn't take long for a bipedal ape pretending to be a cat to get injured, sick or bored of the lifestyle.

This is what I mean. There is a difference between "logically it's the same" and "in reality people identify as cats". In reality people don't identify as cats in any meaningful way and it's about as relevant as them believing in God. Meh.

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 14:57

I don't believe men can become women. However we all know this is a disorder some men have. We see trans women out and about. We read articles about them. We know they exist.

We see people present as the opposite sex. What lies behind this is probably very varied. There is no clear evidence of a specific disorder.

Trans able-ism is something that's visible and documented by the way. Just for your reference.

ScottBakula · 27/09/2024 14:56

temperedolive · 27/09/2024 13:29

Strong skepticism here.

Kids have phones and their phones have cameras. They make TikTok videos of themselves every time they sneeze. If children were actually living as wolves throughout the school days, their classmates would be posting video evidence of it constantly. You wouldn't need to hear about it on the radio. That is like the platonic ideal of something that would go viral.

It's like how every right-wing pundit in America knows about a child at their kid's school who identifies as a cat and wees in a litter box. But there are no credible photos of these litter boxes in schools.

There IS kitty litter being stored in some Anerican schools, but the reason for it is far more disturbing than transcats. It's there in case an active shooter enters the building and the children/teachers have to shelter in place for hours without access to toilets.

I belive clay based litter is good at putting out fires but I have no proof of this .

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