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Don’t councils understand that prevention is cheaper than fixing

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Cornercandy · 27/09/2024 09:20

Councils are struggling with money for the past few years. So why do they cut back things like cleaning drains which are clogged up with dead leaves, sediment and rubbish? When the cost of getting road fixed, planning diversions, hiring of temp traffic lights etc is more money?

Where I live there are two roads which are flooded and closed - never have been before. Yet drove past these roads a few days back and they were absolutely clogged up.

I know where I live there have been two Amber warnings for rain this week. If drains were cleared, the roads wouldn’t be flooded enough to close entirely.

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SunQueen24 · 27/09/2024 09:47

Also - would be great if Local communities took some responsibility, rather than throw up their hands and say it isn’t their issues.

Why do Severn Trent need to warn about flushing nappies and sanitary products on the side of their vans? All of this makes a huge difference.

The brook near me floods frequently and a man in waders and wellies appears to unclog the debry (most fallen branches etc) from the drains. Hes the sort of neighbour we need!

SunQueen24 · 27/09/2024 09:44

Councils fire fight because they don’t have the budget to plan for contingencies.

Theyre not stupid, or greedy. Council workers aren’t amongst the highest paid. Most are dedicated members of staff who live in the community they serve.

Do you fight the fire that’s burning or start planning for prevention elsewhere?

Hillarious · 27/09/2024 09:43

SlothOnARope · 27/09/2024 09:31

Exact same problem here.

It's because the councils have no overall plans and are run by clueless but very greedy idiots. They are not audited properly by central govt. They use funds earmarked by govt for useless building schemes/cycle lanes/stuff nobody wants or uses and then plead poverty.

It's like the NHS and all our other public systems: the resources are not going where they are supposed to go.

A misunderstanding of local government here.

Octavia64 · 27/09/2024 09:40

Councils have had their funding cut consistently since 2010.

In the last four years it's gone back up but they will have less money than they did in 2010

So they can do less.

ifs.org.uk/publications/how-have-english-councils-funding-and-spending-changed-2010-2024#:~:text=They%20are%20funded%20by%20a,and%20commercial%20and%20investment%20income.

Don’t councils understand that prevention is cheaper than fixing
Summerhillsquare · 27/09/2024 09:39

SlothOnARope · 27/09/2024 09:31

Exact same problem here.

It's because the councils have no overall plans and are run by clueless but very greedy idiots. They are not audited properly by central govt. They use funds earmarked by govt for useless building schemes/cycle lanes/stuff nobody wants or uses and then plead poverty.

It's like the NHS and all our other public systems: the resources are not going where they are supposed to go.

Do provide some evidence.

PS audits are all published, as are council committee papers, meetings are public, and yes central govt determines most of the funding.

Cornercandy · 27/09/2024 09:39

Wonderballs · 27/09/2024 09:29

Austerity. If they don’t have money for both maintenance and emergencies, they can only address emergencies, even if this increases costs in the long run. You see the same in the health system.

If you have an expensive item to replace or fix, you take money from another account.

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Summerhillsquare · 27/09/2024 09:37

We are seeing extreme weather due to climate change. Even well resources councils can't manage so much water. It requires upstream measures with landowners.

BeretInParis · 27/09/2024 09:33

SlothOnARope · 27/09/2024 09:31

Exact same problem here.

It's because the councils have no overall plans and are run by clueless but very greedy idiots. They are not audited properly by central govt. They use funds earmarked by govt for useless building schemes/cycle lanes/stuff nobody wants or uses and then plead poverty.

It's like the NHS and all our other public systems: the resources are not going where they are supposed to go.

This.

SlothOnARope · 27/09/2024 09:31

Exact same problem here.

It's because the councils have no overall plans and are run by clueless but very greedy idiots. They are not audited properly by central govt. They use funds earmarked by govt for useless building schemes/cycle lanes/stuff nobody wants or uses and then plead poverty.

It's like the NHS and all our other public systems: the resources are not going where they are supposed to go.

Wonderballs · 27/09/2024 09:29

Austerity. If they don’t have money for both maintenance and emergencies, they can only address emergencies, even if this increases costs in the long run. You see the same in the health system.

Twoshoesnewshoes · 27/09/2024 09:28

If you don’t have the money you have to cut back and hope that it will be okay.
often emergency provisions come from a different pot than maintenance.
also I think this weather pattern is new so roads that have never flooded before are flooding now - hard to predict in advance on limited funds and staff.