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To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc

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Loveafridaynightchippy · 26/09/2024 22:11

Has anyone else had a change of opinion about things that they’ve not really questioned and always just accepted before, in the last few years?
It could be since a became a mum, but I’m wondering if it’s more.
My Dd has been very ill recently and I’ve gained much better help, advise from less traditional Drs-think medical Drs who focus on naturopathy too, homeopathy and so on, I never knew anything about homeopathy before my Dd got ill. The results I’ve seen are incredible and much more positive that traditional things like antibiotics, painkillers and so on.
I used to be a teacher and loved it, but I’ve found myself really questioning if this is the right system and the right way of doing things and am increasingly doubting traditional schooling. Even the way the majority of us work, the 9-5, the commutes, snatched weekends with loved ones, the yearly holiday.
Maybe I’m just becoming an old hippie! 😂
Does anyone else feel like this?

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cardibach · 30/09/2024 19:44

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.
It doesn’t. Logically it can’t. Numerous studies have proved it doesn’t.

Predes · 30/09/2024 19:20

Unfortunately, trying to discuss and question homeopathy with anyone who ‘believes’ is very difficult as they almost exclusively resort to conspiracy theories or subjective opinions. Things people, including my late aunt, say when challenged:

  • Homeopathy is effective, but because it is cheap and ‘Big Pharma’ can’t make any money from it, they will never admit it works.
  • Any testing that shows it doesn’t work is ‘Big Pharma’ colluding for above reasons. Also, ‘Big Pharma’ want people to remain ill so that they can make more money selling them treatments.
  • My friend / cousin / mum / sister had ‘x’ disease and did homeopathy and it ‘cured’ them, therefore homeopathy works. Any improvement seen whilst taking homeopathic remedies is proof that homeopathy works.

There won’t be any arguments for efficacy that don’t fall into one of these bullet points.

ChoccieCornflake · 30/09/2024 18:30

Mirabai · 28/09/2024 20:05

There will be a difference in outcomes dependent on the grade which this data does not show.

But declining treatment only ever leads one way.

That’s not actually true, there are people who survive cancer who eschew conventional treatment. It might not be my choice but none of us know how we would cope with the horrific gruelling nature of chemo so there’s no point moralising about other people’s choices.

A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer at stage 4 and started chemo but just couldn’t cope with it and stopped. It’s a moot point whether it would have given her more time or hastened her end, and given the extent of the metastases it was a question of when not if.

Just an FYI - not all chemo is "horrific" and "grueling". Nor is chemo the only treatment modality available for cancer these days. Homeopathy might be side effect free, but it is also efficacy free.

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 18:03

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

So tell us about the knowledge and research base as it relates to homeopathy.

nothingcomestonothing · 30/09/2024 17:56

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

Well there isn't any research to support the use of homeopathy. The active ingredient is water.

Hollowgast · 30/09/2024 17:49

Homeopathy? Really?

Were you aware of the $1m prize that can be won by anybody demonstrating that homeopathy is effective?

Alternative medicine that works is called medicine.

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

cardibach · 30/09/2024 16:25

Well-informed definitely doesn’t mean ‘agrees with me’. It means informed about actual research in this case.

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

cardibach · 30/09/2024 16:25

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 15:29

”Well-informed” is subjective. It generally means agrees with me or agrees with what I consider the paradigm.

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Well-informed definitely doesn’t mean ‘agrees with me’. It means informed about actual research in this case.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 30/09/2024 15:57

@BarbaraHoward That’s incredible, it’s rarely that simple sadly. My Dd has been on two different sets of antibiotics, both made her worse unfortunately. It’s finding the underlying cause which can be very complicated and upsetting and stressful

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Loveafridaynightchippy · 30/09/2024 15:56

@GrammarTeacher I’m sorry, I don’t understand your posts in relation to the illness I’m talking about

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Mirabai · 30/09/2024 15:29

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 10:33

The point is that while everyone (or at least competent adults) is entitled to make their own decisions based on their own thoughts, feelings and beliefs, not all decisions are equally well informed.

”Well-informed” is subjective. It generally means agrees with me or agrees with what I consider the paradigm.

GrammarTeacher · 30/09/2024 13:55

People. Night suggest I have sudden onset autism. I haven't. I was just diagnosed later. People thought I was coping. Even my parents. Doesn't make it true

BarbaraHoward · 30/09/2024 13:30

A colleague's son had PANDAS, it was terrifying for them the speed with which he went from a healthy, sporty kid to one with tics, poor mental health and extreme fatigue. He was tested for a brain tumour among other scary things by real doctors.

Once they landed on PANDAS he was quickly back to himself, doing well and on a million sports teams. It was antibiotics that cured him though, not sugar pills.

Predes · 30/09/2024 13:18

KnottedTwine · 30/09/2024 12:27

I have an acquaintance who is a homeopathic practitioner. Obviously people pay to see her privately because sugar pills are not prescribed on the NHS. She is a warm, friendly, person who operates out of a warm, comfortable house. An initial consultation with her is 60 minutes. She'll sit you down, take as much time as you need to properly discuss what's going on in depth. Contrast that to a rushed 10 minutes with a GP. Of course you'e going to feel better if you feel someone is really listening to you and taking an interest.

I do really despair though of anyone really buying into the idea that water has a memory. It's just such bad science.

This sounds exactly like my aunt. She was a lovely, kind person but just hopelessly misguided and misinformed.

KnottedTwine · 30/09/2024 12:27

I have an acquaintance who is a homeopathic practitioner. Obviously people pay to see her privately because sugar pills are not prescribed on the NHS. She is a warm, friendly, person who operates out of a warm, comfortable house. An initial consultation with her is 60 minutes. She'll sit you down, take as much time as you need to properly discuss what's going on in depth. Contrast that to a rushed 10 minutes with a GP. Of course you'e going to feel better if you feel someone is really listening to you and taking an interest.

I do really despair though of anyone really buying into the idea that water has a memory. It's just such bad science.

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 10:33

Mirabai · 29/09/2024 23:28

#completelymissesthepoint

The point is that while everyone (or at least competent adults) is entitled to make their own decisions based on their own thoughts, feelings and beliefs, not all decisions are equally well informed.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 30/09/2024 09:22

@GrammarTeacher ??? That’s exactly what I’m saying, there is no such thing as sudden onset autism?? That’s why it isn’t autism. In Pans/pandas, it can present as autism literally overnight, it isn’t autism, that’s what I’m saying?
I’m not talking about treating or curing autism! That’s exactly my point, it isn’t autism, it’s a medical condition often brought on by illness that causes brain inflammation and can present as similar signs to being autistic, I’m saying the opposite, it isn’t autism

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GrammarTeacher · 30/09/2024 06:06

Loveafridaynightchippy · 28/09/2024 13:07

@SophiaCohle It’s been described as children being thrown into sudden autism. Many of the symptoms mimic it, in a sudden, extreme way. But the symptoms are often not consistent at all. We have had two years in between our symptoms, once when was sick similar as she is now, lasting for 4-5 months after illness and now, two years later again. In between these times, she doesn’t display any signs of neurodivergence and presents as a *Typical child. But yes, the symptoms that occur whilst the child is ill, present very much like autism/adhd at times. My Dd also has physical symptoms-tiredness, nausea etc, until the inflammation calms, it doesn’t improve, it seems.

Autism isn't symptoms though. And many autistic people (especially girls due to socialisation) are adept at masking. Until they reach crisis point when they are exhausted (or I don't know, ill). There's no such thing as sudden onset autism.

GrammarTeacher · 30/09/2024 05:56

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 09:10

For us. it’s working when other things haven’t as of yet, no placebo effect. I expected and waited for the other things to work..they didn’t, not as well anyway. I tried this, almost scoffing whilst I did it, expecting nothing, but I’ve seen results so we’ll continue for now to do both as and when needed

It isn't working. It literally can't. It is water and sugar. The only thing it CAN be is the placebo effect

GrammarTeacher · 30/09/2024 05:43

Loveafridaynightchippy · 29/09/2024 12:55

@knitnerd90 It’s not necessarily post strep only, there can be gut issues, mould etc, it seems to be very complex. It’s also not surprising that many children who are already diagnosed autistic also develop pans.
It’s very frustrating for the parents who have been told it’s something psychological or that their children have Odd or autism, when in fact, they don’t and see huge improvements upon tackling the underlying infection/cause and treating it appropriately and see the symptoms and behaviour disappear.

You can't treat or cure autism. Neurodiversity is just that a diversity and not a medical issue.
I am NOT broken and I don't need curing. Neither does my son.

echt · 30/09/2024 00:24

Petitchat · 29/09/2024 22:40

Really rude during an OP's serious concerns.
Typical of mumsnet......

Not rude at all. OP is being pulled up on uninformed thinking.

Also it's not "mumsnet", it is one poster.

Mirabai · 29/09/2024 23:28

TypingoftheDead · 29/09/2024 22:37

Chemotherapy isn’t “faith based” at all. It has decades of research behind it. Unfortunately it’s never going to save everyone from cancer, but it does work and has saved or prolonged millions of people’s lives. Things like homeopathy save absolutely nobody.

#completelymissesthepoint

Petitchat · 29/09/2024 22:40

Thistooshallpass24 · 26/09/2024 22:29

Actually it's new improved for Mumsnet it's viper oil 24, still limited edition

Really rude during an OP's serious concerns.
Typical of mumsnet......

TypingoftheDead · 29/09/2024 22:37

Mirabai · 28/09/2024 22:59

If you accept that people have the right to make their own choices, the reason for those choices is entirely their affair. Deciding against chemo for whatever reason - the result is the same - no chemo. You may not know why they’ve made that decision - they may claim one thing out loud but believe another privately, they may have complex motivations.

It is finger wagging to judge other people’s decisions when you can’t control them and they won’t care what you think anyway.

Choosing chemo, or any gruelling treatment, is as much a faith-based position as an evidence-based one. People put their faith in a treatment due to evidence it works in other people. But there’s no actual evidence it will work for them, they just have to hope they’re in the % it does. If the patient didn’t believe chemo could be effective it would make it much harder to stay the course.

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Chemotherapy isn’t “faith based” at all. It has decades of research behind it. Unfortunately it’s never going to save everyone from cancer, but it does work and has saved or prolonged millions of people’s lives. Things like homeopathy save absolutely nobody.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 29/09/2024 12:55

@knitnerd90 It’s not necessarily post strep only, there can be gut issues, mould etc, it seems to be very complex. It’s also not surprising that many children who are already diagnosed autistic also develop pans.
It’s very frustrating for the parents who have been told it’s something psychological or that their children have Odd or autism, when in fact, they don’t and see huge improvements upon tackling the underlying infection/cause and treating it appropriately and see the symptoms and behaviour disappear.

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