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To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc

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Loveafridaynightchippy · 26/09/2024 22:11

Has anyone else had a change of opinion about things that they’ve not really questioned and always just accepted before, in the last few years?
It could be since a became a mum, but I’m wondering if it’s more.
My Dd has been very ill recently and I’ve gained much better help, advise from less traditional Drs-think medical Drs who focus on naturopathy too, homeopathy and so on, I never knew anything about homeopathy before my Dd got ill. The results I’ve seen are incredible and much more positive that traditional things like antibiotics, painkillers and so on.
I used to be a teacher and loved it, but I’ve found myself really questioning if this is the right system and the right way of doing things and am increasingly doubting traditional schooling. Even the way the majority of us work, the 9-5, the commutes, snatched weekends with loved ones, the yearly holiday.
Maybe I’m just becoming an old hippie! 😂
Does anyone else feel like this?

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Mirabai · 01/10/2024 13:33

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 01/10/2024 13:24

No, not just them. Your posts are all over place and it's clear you're just here to argue.

My posts have been reasonably clear and consistent. Some posters looking for a fight didn’t read them properly and just wanted to argue about homeopathy.

This thread could have been an interesting discussion about approaches to education and medicine.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 13:26

SophiaCohle · 01/10/2024 13:21

I didn't even see it and have no idea what it said. Hard to believe that's all it said if it was deleted.

By most, I mean all the people who have tried to get you to justify your earlier comments, without success, which is quite a few of us.

It's clear now that you just want to fight about nothing though, so... <yawn>

Edited

So desperate for a fight were you that you leapfrogged my conversation and misread it, as did your friend.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 01/10/2024 13:24

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 12:51

By “most” you mean you and @cardibach

I note you reported my post that pointed out I had no interest in homeopathy.

No, not just them. Your posts are all over place and it's clear you're just here to argue.

SophiaCohle · 01/10/2024 13:21

I didn't even see it and have no idea what it said. Hard to believe that's all it said if it was deleted.

By most, I mean all the people who have tried to get you to justify your earlier comments, without success, which is quite a few of us.

It's clear now that you just want to fight about nothing though, so... <yawn>

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 12:51

By “most” you mean you and @cardibach

I note you reported my post that pointed out I had no interest in homeopathy.

SophiaCohle · 01/10/2024 12:25

I think a lot of people on the thread must have misunderstood the exchange tbf. Most of us thought you were arguing in favour of homeopathy, or at least according it equal status as an option.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 12:12

It is abundantly clear from the exchange that the subject is chemotherapy.

It’s ok to piggyback a discussion and misinterpret a post, but at least take responsibility for it.

cardibach · 01/10/2024 12:06

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 11:58

Now you’ve completely lost it. My post referred to medical research into chemotherapy as that was the subject of the conversation.

How very rude and personal. You aren’t in good faith at all, are you?
We can all see your contributions. Yes, it started about chemotherapy, but it wasn’t about that by this point. Here’s the exchange for you. I won’t be replying to you again, because I can’t bear disingenuous time wasters.

To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc
Mirabai · 01/10/2024 11:58

cardibach · 01/10/2024 11:50

It was this.
“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

You know, the post I replied to.
Don’t be so disingenuous as to suggest you aren’t arguing that homeopathy is effective. And yes, I know you haven’t used those words.

Now you’ve completely lost it. My post referred to medical research into chemotherapy as that was the subject of the conversation.

cardibach · 01/10/2024 11:50

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 06:56

😂 You quote what I said that this was a response to:

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.It doesn’t.

It was this.
“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

You know, the post I replied to.
Don’t be so disingenuous as to suggest you aren’t arguing that homeopathy is effective. And yes, I know you haven’t used those words.

Greenersands · 01/10/2024 09:26

The second part about school, working 9-5, commutes, weekends. That I question constantly, like why do we all do this? Who said this was what life is? I often feel like everyone is brain washed into this system.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 09:24

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SophiaCohle · 01/10/2024 08:53

Oh dear, it doesn't look like anyone can point to any evidence for the efficacy of homeopathy then.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 07:12

As I have pointed out before I’ve not mentioned homeopathy other than in passing reference to medical doctors also in trained in alternative medicine.

My point was about duel training not about homeopathy. The OP is about evaluation of traditional methods of medicine and education.

So desperate are you to argue with someone about homeopathy that you’ve overlooked that I have no interest in it and have resorted to invention.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 06:56

cardibach · 30/09/2024 22:17

Interesting. You always deny that I’m answering something you’ve said when you can’t progress your own argument further. Got it.

😂 You quote what I said that this was a response to:

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.It doesn’t.

aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:39

MaterCogitaVera · 30/09/2024 23:37

Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now! So if I do water who remembers cake, I’ll finally be able to lose the forty pounds I put on over lockdown?

Now you're talking!

MaterCogitaVera · 30/09/2024 23:37

aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:31

But no, you don't get it. Homeopathy "fights like with like". So by drinking water who remembers poop, you're actually fighting cholera! Clever, aye?

Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now! So if I do water who remembers cake, I’ll finally be able to lose the forty pounds I put on over lockdown?

aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:31

MaterCogitaVera · 27/09/2024 00:03

Yep. If water has a memory, people who use homeopathy must all be getting massive doses of poop and sewage and dead fish every time they take a dose. I’m surprised they aren’t all coming down with cholera.

But no, you don't get it. Homeopathy "fights like with like". So by drinking water who remembers poop, you're actually fighting cholera! Clever, aye?

EllaPaella · 30/09/2024 22:40

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cardibach · 30/09/2024 22:17

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:48

😂 I refer you back to our previous conversation in we established you are arguing with yourself.

Interesting. You always deny that I’m answering something you’ve said when you can’t progress your own argument further. Got it.

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:48

cardibach · 30/09/2024 19:44

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.
It doesn’t. Logically it can’t. Numerous studies have proved it doesn’t.

😂 I refer you back to our previous conversation in we established you are arguing with yourself.

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:44

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 18:03

So tell us about the knowledge and research base as it relates to homeopathy.

So tell us where I posted anything about homeopathy in this thread.

Igneococcus · 30/09/2024 21:36
  • Homeopathy is effective, but because it is cheap and ‘Big Pharma’ can’t make any money from it, they will never admit it works.
Big Pharma would be utterly thrilled if it could achieve the profit margins that homeopathy has. Sugar pills with some water are very cheap to produce and there are no R&D costs at all, no clinical trials, no licencing costs, no patent applications.
knitnerd90 · 30/09/2024 20:26

It's worth pointing out that for children who don't have an active infection, PANS/PANDAS may subside with age. The evidence for long term antibiotics or IVIG, which some doctors prescribe, is limited.

samarrange · 30/09/2024 19:50

MumblesParty · 26/09/2024 22:54

OP if your DD got better with homeopathy then either she wasn’t actually ill in the first place, or she had a self limiting illness that resolved at the same time as you used the homeopathic medicine, by coincidence.

Other things that make homeopathy appear to work are the cost, and the time spent with the homeopathist. People like having time and attention spent on them, it makes them feel so much better. And if they’ve paid handsomely for the “treatment”, they feel even better.

⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆ This...

Go onto any Facebook group and ask for tips on how people have dealt with some common self-limiting condition (sciatica is a good one). You will get 50 different answers from 50 different people, because none of the treatments cured it — people just believe that the last thing they tried before the problem went away must have been what caused it.

Sadly we are all very good at telling ourselves stories when it comes to our health, without realising that we are deluding ourselves. "Normally when I get a cold it lasts a week, but with [remedy] it was gone in just 7 days. I mean, you can't say fairer than that."

Also, homeopaths tend to be very nice people and spend lots of time with you for your £££, unlike overworked NHS doctors. We are all much more prepared to believe nice people who tell us what we want to hear, especially since to do otherwise would imply that we aren't sure that we made a wise choice spending the money.