To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

@Tittat50 i remember few years ago watching a programme and a very well known plastic surgeon explaining in a lot of detail what and how is done and why it is so dangerous- not only abroad- and comparing statistics with other risky surgeries and this one came in top by quite a lot. I don’t remember the details (I was post partum and sleep deprived but remember few high lights here and there). The way he explained it and the way I understood - you’re more likely to end up dead/ with very bad complications than not.

I didn't mention men.

Ain't that the truth ...

Women place more pressure on other women than men do let's be real.

I work in the beauty industry, although not in injectables, and I think the problem lies with having a completely unregulated industry. As pp have said, you can do a 2 day course as a complete beginner and then on the 3rd day you are let lose to inject people in the face with fillers and botox unsupervised. Only those with a medical degree should be allowed to work in asthetics, and it needs to be closely monitored and heavy penalties given to those breaking the rules. Injecting 400ml of filler into someone is absolute madness and someone with no medical training should never have been able to get their hands on something like that, let alone build a business doing so!

I feel so sorry for that women and her family. Being immersed in the beauty industry really does blind you to how dangerous these procedures are. Almost every person I've worked with has had botox, fillers, plastic surgery, dental work in Turkey, liposuction, and weight loss/tanning injections. I look like a right scruff stood next to most of them. I don't blame her for getting the procedure, I blame the system that has allowed this to happen.

Also interesting that 90% of plastic surgeons in the UK are men…

Plastic surgery actually has the 3rd highest out of medical specialities women as consultants. Or are you on about cosmetic surgeons?

I have Botox between my eyebrows (11s) twice a year. it stops me looking really angry when I'm not. It is completely safe and is in no way comparable to a BBL!

Terribly sad story. She could have used that money to get a trainer and work on building a bigger booty at the gym.

I just hope those poor kids have love and support around them at this difficult time.

I think it is largely peer pressure. But actually, probably not even peer ‘pressure’. If everybody around you is doing something, you start to normalise it and think it looks great.

My 18 and 20-year-old girls and their university friends would never have this work done. They can’t stand the look of lip filler or any treatments or cosmetic surgery. They are all lovely and beautiful. And look great naturally because they are all young women and gorgeous. And their peers at university are the same.

I go to the hairdresser and there is a lovely 19-year-old who washes my hair. She has had so much work done since I have been going there. She was genuinely stunning. Yet she now has inflated lips and something else done to her face that I can’t quite make out. She also goes on a sunbed weekly. When I have asked her about it, she says her mum and everybody around her does it and she apparently looks ‘dreadful’ without these procedures. She does not.

I generally think these women believe it’s a look to aspire to because all their friends and family do it.

Thankfully this stuff is not a thing in my house.

Can't wait to get home and snuggle my cat too! He always talks (purrs) perfect sense in this crazy world.

I’m with you. It’s awful what’s happened but at the end of the day she made the reckless decision that the appearance of her bum for her own vanity was her priority and was worth whatever risk.

The world has gone mad quite frankly. I feel so sorry for those children.

It's very sad, I don't think people understand the dangers. The prevalence of things like Botox and other surgeries that can cause serious harm show that.

I know! You see the images and it’s “freaks” and photoshop.

Do the customers actually SEE normal, where I see Frankenstein-face?

Because anyone who risks permanent damage or death for vanity doesn't deserve an ounce of empathy

This situation is even sadder and stranger than it appears at first. The woman who died had her own "Aesthetics" business, she called herself an "advanced practitioner" but had only worked in this field for 2 years. Recently she had advertised on Face Book that she would be offering Liquid BBL, indicating it gave amazing results ,had no downtime, gave instant results and so on. She was advertising that she would inject 400ml of filler for £900. The person who injected her is said to have been training her to inflict this on her customers.
I just cannot understand how she could have thought this would not end in disaster and how she felt she would be qualified to perform the procedure herself. I feel so sorry for her family.

Some women watch the SM/“entertainment programmes above” and find the car-crash people on screens pathetic and are laughing at them.

Others watch and aspire to be them.

Producers are certainly not making these programmes for the good of society. It’s entertainment and advertising/ subscriber £££.

Everyone is being used.

My sister used to get mocked for her big lips along with most black women I know in the 80's and 90's. Calling big lips 'ape bum' when they are typically black features is not appropriate.

Right now the ideal isn't thin lips and small bums. It's interesting that for once white women aren't the default, and white women are now belittling curvy bums and big lips.

https://www.instagram.com/jordanjamesparke/?hl=en

"The public wants what the public gets ..."

It was done by Jordan James Parke. People with severe dysphoria should not be working in this field. Jordan James is obvious very unwell to do that to himself. It's terrifying tbh.

It just pisses me off that on a site like MN the presumption is always that if a women does something stupid it's someone else's (usually a man's) fault. For a site that claims to be feminist, there is a disturbing acceptance that women have no agency in their own lives and shouldn't have to take responsibility.

So what you're saying is that there's no social pressure in society for women to look a certain way? No pressure to shave, to look younger, to lose weight... No pressure at all, we spend thousands on make up, creams and tinctures, dieting, dying our hair etc for no other reason than it makes us feel good.

It is selfish. A friend of mine had a boob job when she had a toddler and a baby. She was unable to pick them up and care for them and everyone was rallying round her. I refused to. Of course if she had nobody else I would have but I was irritated she put herself before her kids to be honest for something high could have waited till they were older.

Save your ire and outrage for the unregulated procedure,undertaken by unlicensed unregulated beauticians. They market it as a same day little tweak no big deal procedure . Glossy brochures. Frothy dialogue. Accessible and relatively cheap cosmetic procedures

Try be sensitive to fact that a woman who made what she thought was a safe choice for a cosmetic procedure has unfortunately died. Such procedures are portrayed as achievable,safe, a boost to self confidence and appearance

Plastic surgery has been going on for decades. Marilyn Monroe had a nose job and chin implant and despite being a tiny woman was addicted to dieting and diet pills.