To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

I don't shave, i don't dye my hair, i don't wear make up or have my nails done. I wear what i want, i buy whatever shoes and handbags i like. Societal pressure is not a court order, you can just ignore the SM, magazines etc. It's called having your own mind.

duh, cos maybe they haven't had it done !!!

And mine is flat and I hate it. I wish I had a naturally big one. It’s funny how some of us want what others have.

Women need to look a certain way to keep their jobs, their status, their positions. Sue Grey is doing ok.

This is the man that did it.

It's a tragic, needless waste, and I hope something is done to prevent it happening to other women We can't legislate for idiots. We need to raise DD's who are confident in themselves. Some adult females set dreadful examples to their developing teens.
Who cares if you look cross? That is your face, don't feel pressure to change it.
If you look around you,most women do not have these procedures done. The women with sense, at least. 👏🏼

At least, we think we can.

In reality we are so steeped in our own culture that many of us aspire to look like other people.

No. You are preaching to the choir really, since I have never even had Botox and never, ever will. But I don't believe it's as black and white as you think it is, and nor is it as simple as "Women who do things because a man tells them to are idiots."

There are reasons why this kind of look is catching on. Just like there is a reason why so many women are having Botox, including on MN. Women need to look a certain way to keep their jobs, their status, their positions. Men, on the other hand, can mostly be unashamedly wrinkly. Like Nicole Kidman vs Hugh Grant.

Or she could have accepted that her booty was normal for her.

Believe me, I had a massive arse and thick thighs before they were fashionable. That was normal for me and I wish it had been acceptable back then, in the same way I wish all body types were acceptable now.

"We're all individuals".

Their choice.

We aren’t all copycats thank goodness. Some of us can think for ourselves.

Do you really know what 'any man' thinks?

Yes the industry and social media and the patriarchy are all to blame to various extents, but there are different levels.

It's bad that women are generally made to feel that they have far, far more grooming to do than men just in order to look 'normal' or even 'professional at work'. But people who choose to have extreme, intrusive procedures like this BBL thing are not doing it to be normal. They are deliberately choosing to go beyond what is encouraged by images in most of the media.

Men don’t seem to have any interest in BBLs, trout pouts or any of the nonsense which passes for beauty these days

It is an injection to change your appearance

Why do you think women started getting rid off all pubic hair, for fun? It came directly from porn.

The blame for all of this is the obsession with celeb culture. Cosmetic procedures used to be the preserve of the well off, same as Range Rovers and 5 star holidays. Nowadays these things are within the reach of the normal working people, and so begins the demand.

You see Nicky Minaj with her leg and arse and then some freak in a shed offers you it for few quid and off you go. The man offering this was on This Morning saying his obsession with Kim Kardashian will kill him one day, and well, the rest is history.

So if men started watching videos of women jumping off cliffs, does that mean we should all go and jump off a cliff to please them?

Women who do things because a man tells them to are idiots. If you look around you most women do not have these procedures done. The women with sense, at least.

I don’t believe it’s down to men. It’s down to certain vain women wanting to look like a Kim Kardashian clone.

I agree, I don’t know any man who thinks hmmm inflated lips how attractive. We were watching “ Celebrity SAS” the other day and all the women on there ( barring those in their 50s and possibly the mixed race women ) had inflated lips, and several obvious nose jobs too. It’s actually one reason I’d rather watch the “ civilian” version of those shows, you don’t get the body modifications ( not to the same degree anyway). It’s getting freaky.

It’s a tragedy that she died. So sorry for her children and family.

What makes me sad too is the horrible Insta faces, bodies and poses. Cartoonish lips, marker pen tattooed eyebrows, perma-tans - and yes, big arses. Such arses would have been the subject of comedy sketches when I was a teen, but now younger women and girls’ views are so skewed that they’re seen as desirable.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with ‘making the best of yourself’ as my Gran used to say, but that should mean a little makeup, moisturisers, etc, to still look like you but a bit ‘polished’ - not these hideous (sorry, but I think they are) fashions that risk health and/or make you look like a cartoon figure and/or a blow-up doll.

There’s too much pressure on girls and I wish schools would work to reduce this, along with parents, media, etc.

Yes- they have no reason to lie and ive seen visceral dislike from them when it comes to extreme surgeries. I am not saying they dont appreciate beautiful women but the women I've seen them drool over or comment on are far more natural types- beautiful but non enhanced.

Are you suggesting that ALL men are attracted to only one type of woman? Isnt that rather like suggesting all women fancy male bodybuilders with huge oiled pecs and if they say they dont then surely, "they're just lying"?

Most people do not prefer an extreme type of look- no matter what that look may be.

I find it quite odd that people can't see how much porn, and the consumption of porn by men, have to do with the popularity of this look. Men may tell you they don't like fat arses or puffy lips or wrinkle free faces. The popularity of porn tells you otherwise.

Maybe brush up on reading if you genuinely can’t remember calling that poster a female dog.

Really?, so a bum lift is for the female gaze, push up bras for other women etc