To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

As it happens, women have a naturally higher body fat % than men. And it generally goes to the hips and arse. So there really shouldn't be any need for these insane surgeries.

There’s billions spent on advertising expensive new cars as well but many, many people still drive old bangers.

Yes, people can be influenced by advertising and social media but that’s very different to there being a “societal pressure” to have a BBL ffs

@poppyzbrite4 But you're a man. What would you know about the way women are socialised or the pressure on women to look youthful and attractive?

Because as I just told you, a female friend told me that she shaves for comfort.

How do you explain the billions women spend on anti aging products, the diet industry, Botox, make up and so on?

Losing weight is mostly about the health benefits for most people.

It's unusual for men to 'shave for comfort', if you're talking about manscaping, that came about because of porn. If you're talking about your armpits and legs, that's almost unheard of.

No, I'm talking about the hair on my face. I don't shave my body hair because it's not uncomfortable. I shave the hair on my face because it causes discomfort.

The diet industry is predominantly aimed at women who are judged on how they look to a far larger extent than men. You're not a woman so you won't have experienced it.

Well I have lost weight in the past, so I have indeed experienced weight loss. I think your comment was a bit bizarre- health messages, and media messages promoting weight loss, are definitely promoted to both genders, not just women.

Five minutes FB searching reveals that one of the staff members of the "studio" where this procedure was carried out was looking for models for a discounted BBL to be done on 23rd September - that's the date this tragedy occured. Which implies it was a new procedure that they were just starting to offer, I think?

I'm appalled at this being basically unregulated. Just awful and so dangerous.

I'm not arguing that women don't have their own minds, I'm arguing that there's pressure on women to conform to certain standards. I find it difficult to believe you've never noticed as billions is spent on advertising and there are very lucrative markets around it.

Because men are fat arseholes without the need for surgery?

There's been a higher increase in men having cosmetic/body changing surgery.

I think it's more of a media pressure on people thing. Not just a pressure on women. Celebrities of both sexes are sending the message that keeping youthful and sexually attractive, is all, and worth spending money on. And the body dysmorphia thing is very real when you look at what other do to themselves.

No. What I’m saying is that not every woman cares about what is “expected” or what others think of them.

The fact that you find it so unfathomable that there could be more than a handful of women in the world with a mind of their own says more about you than my shaving habits do about me

That is very true

The pressure on women to look a certain way is no different than the pressure women put on men to be tall, have hair, a six pack, a big dick, etc. No difference at all as far as I can see.

These are for sports purposes, the discussion around men shaving vs women shaving is for aesthetic purposes. I’ve known men who shave their underarms for aesthetics.

Thats true Berksandbeyond, but why make things worse. At the end of the day many people assume that if somethings legal in the UK it’s safe. I hope this procedure is now banned.

Cyclists and swimmers.

What a shame. There are always risks with any procedure, big or small, but it sounds like this procedure was riskier than most others and some people tried to warn against the use of it before this tragedy. Whether people undergoing it like this woman did are fully informed of the risk we might never know. It is really such a waste of a life.

Never dated a cyclist then?

Oops outing hobby.

We know nothing about this woman or her reasons actually. SO judgemental but typical on here

You're not wrong.

It is tragic and I'm sure the family are feeling it more than anyone posting here.

She was a beautiful young woman.

I think they’ve got bigger problems than a Mumsnet thread tbh

It must be a modern phenomenon because I've never known a man to shave his arms unless it was for sport reasons, certainly not for comfort. Same with legs, I've never known a man who shaved his legs for no reason other than comfort. That's not to say it doesn't happen I suppose.

There is a terrible amount of judgement about this poor women, I’ve met her and she always came across as being lovely. I really hope her kids don’t read this.

It’s not too uncommon for men to shave their underarms but I’ve not encountered any who shave their legs, that’s for sure.