To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

@shuggles

No, as I stated already, the reason why I don't have beauty products is that they wouldn't do anything to benefit me.

Anti aging creams aren't aimed at you as you're male, therefore you don't think they would benefit you. They rarely have a benefit, they're usually overpriced crap sold as the elixir of youth - it's about focusing on women's insecurities.

You haven't had a lifetime of socialisation reducing you to your looks and playing on your insecurities. You don't buy beauty products because they're marketed at women. The beauty industry is predominantly about women.

The fact that they are aimed at women is irrelevant. If they were aimed at men, I still wouldn't buy them, because again, they wouldn't do anything.

You think that because the sexes are socialised differently and these products aren't relentlessly marketed at you. Beauty products do do something, make up is used to enhance your attraction, hair products are used to style your hair.

As for why some women buy makeup and beauty products, I can't answer that because I'm not those people.

I've already answered it because they're aimed at people like me.

If the goal of bulking up was to take up more space, then most men would be opting for the "strongman" build. Most gym rats aim to be like bodybuilders (muscular with a low body fat %), but clearly bodybuilders are not nearly as big as strongmen.

It depends why you're working out. Many men want bigger muscles and visible abs, hence the low body fat. They don't do weights to get smaller, they do weights and take protein to get bigger. Men also take steroids to bulk up quicker.

Whereas women are perceived as more attractive when they're thinner. Skinny men aren't seen as particularly attractive.

The fact that it was so quickly after the procedure means its unlikely to be an infection. More likely he has either gone directly into a vein, the pressure of the filler has squashed a vein or artery impeding flow or he's given too much local anesthetic. I imagine expanding the tissue that much would be quite painful.

She chose to do this mayb3 society would be better if people stopped blaming society and 'oh I am forced to have surgery/do anything else because I don't have a brain in my own head to think for myself'

Stop blaming others and make decisions for yourself is what maybe parents should be teaching children, parents are the best role models for children but I doubt the intelligence is very high sometimes

Stop blaming society for everything

How much filler goes into a bbl compared to 1ml put into lips.. that's crazy. Would like to know her actual cause of death though.

@poppyzbrite4 My point exactly. You don't have a drawer full of various creams and other beauty products because they are rarely for men, the beauty industry is aimed at women.

No, as I stated already, the reason why I don't have beauty products is that they wouldn't do anything to benefit me. The fact that they are aimed at women is irrelevant. If they were aimed at men, I still wouldn't buy them, because again, they wouldn't do anything.

Oversized ugly cars are aimed at men too, yet, I manage not to buy those.

As for why some women buy makeup and beauty products, I can't answer that because I'm not those people.

Obesity isn't prized in men, but bulking up is. Ergo they take up more space. Bulking up products are aimed at men, weight loss products are aimed at women. Losing weight for health is aimed at everyone.

If the goal of bulking up was to take up more space, then most men would be opting for the "strongman" build. Most gym rats aim to be like bodybuilders (muscular with a low body fat %), but clearly bodybuilders are not nearly as big as strongmen.

Sure, it's highly likely you coincidentally go to the trouble of shaving alongside most women in the UK. It's got nothing to do with being a societal norm, you just happened to pick up a razor one day and spontaneously take off your body hair.

nonsense. Nobody sees my legs or bikini line but I shave them roughly once a week because they feel nicer when they are smooth. Really fuck all to do with societal pressure when you're a middle aged woman who never exposes her body parts anyway!

Facebook says she was an aesthetics provider too

BBL is the fastest growing cosmetic surgery in the world

Surgery is done by medical professionals.

Beauticians and unqualified "advanced aesthetic practitioners" injecting people with unregulated and unknown chemicals and calling it a non-surgical lift, are just blindly injecting poison.

I'm desperately sad this lady has died, but I'm afraid it was only a matter of time.

Think the issue is a lot of them don't see these reality stars as bizarre. this is the image that is pushed on them via social media. Just like heroin chic in the 90's.
To them that is the beauty standard they feel like they have to compete with. It's normal for them. I heard it with the young girls where I worked. They would bitch about other women saying stuff like "She has really thin lips, you think she would get a bit of filler to sort that out" like it was nothing. They were all botoxing their faces from their low 20's and getting tear trough fillers and any other tweakments that were seen as needed.

@shuggles

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Ihave creams for various skin conditions and various medicines. As for makeup and hair products, I don't have those because they would not benefit me. If you want to know why people buy makeup and hair products, you would have to speak to those people instead of me.

My point exactly. You don't have a drawer full of various creams and other beauty products because they are rarely for men, the beauty industry is aimed at women.

I know exactly why women have those products; because women and girls are bombarded with messages about beauty from a young age. Women are valued for how youthful and attractive they are. The older a woman looks, the more she is dismissed.

I think you misunderstand what it means to become bigger.

I haven't misunderstood anything. I said that women are pressured to be thin, to* *take up less space. The diet industry revolves around women losing weight to be more attractive. Obesity isn't prized in men, but bulking up is. Ergo they take up more space.

Bulking up products are aimed at men, weight loss products are aimed at women. Losing weight for health is aimed at everyone.

Face stuff is not for men as far as I can tell.

Edited because actually some aspects
may be, but the demographic of men I’m talking about care less about the face and more about the backside. But then it ends up being a total package of a certain look. A p*rnified look. But the main driver is definitely the size of the backside.

@BoobsOnTheMoon wow, the FB post you showed is so horrifying. I knew it was bad but I had no idea this sort of thing was going on!

Any brain dead air head can just open shop and do this??!

It's ten times worse than I even imagined.

Just to be clear, this procedure wasn't carried out by anyone medically qualified.

5 girls have lost their mother because a beauty practitioner administered filler without having a fucking clue what they were doing.

It appears that things went wrong during the procedure. This isn't sepsis that developed in the days afterwards, it's an error during administration - possibly by injecting filler into a major blood vessel.

By all means criticise the so called beauty standards driven by social media, but we have to stop unregulated use of fillers and Botox if we are to avoid further deaths.

BBL is the fastest growing cosmetic surgery in the world. This narrative that no man wants this is just false. Less men over a certain age want it, because it wasn’t the pushed beauty ideal they grew up with. It is the pushed beauty ideal now. Women feel pressured to have this because it’s what the men in their demographic expect, largely from p*rn, and women are still taught that their self worth is tied to how attractive men view them.

@poppyzbrite4 You're not answering the question, you're focusing on diets. I'll ask again, how do you explain the billions women spend on beauty products? How come men don't have drawer fulls of creams, tinctures, makeup and hair products?

I have creams for various skin conditions and various medicines. As for makeup and hair products, I don't have those because they would not benefit me. If you want to know why people buy makeup and hair products, you would have to speak to those people instead of me.

The original debate was about women getting rid off hair from their bodies because it's a societal norm. You don't shave your legs because men aren't conditioned to do so. To be considered feminine in the UK women are supposed to have no body hair.

My comment was just to explain that sometimes things that are seemingly cosmetic are actually done for functional reasons instead.

So you've had comments and messages all your life about your body and how good it is to be thin?

No, but I have had comments for a good part of my life about how I am too fat.

I'm surprised to hear that because men are usually encouraged to look bigger not thinner, to hit the gym and bulk up. Protein shakes are usually aimed at men for example.

I think you misunderstand what it means to become bigger. Bigger means becoming stronger and more muscular. Men who just binge on food and never do any exercise tend to be extremely weak (I know this because I've been there). One of the goals of bodybuilding is to minimise body fat %, not increase it.

Nutrition is a massive part of bodybuilding and gym rats obsess over nutrition far more than anyone casually going on a "diet."

Obviously not. You never really know what anyone thinks, but by responses of men who are close to me I doubt it’s their thing.

Probably not the brightest. Sad but true

What age demographic of men are you referring to?

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Because as I just told you, a female friend told me that she shaves for comfort.

I'm not talking about shaving or anecdotal evidence from a single woman. I'll answer the question for you, you weren't brought up as a woman and haven't experienced being judged relentlessly on your looks.

You haven't experienced the bombardment of messages on how you are supposed to look in order to be found worthy. Anti aging products aren't aimed at you, although there are now some products aimed at men, they are recent and few and far between.

The beauty industry is a massive industry and it's aimed at women, not men.

Losing weight is mostly about the health benefits for most people.

You're not answering the question, you're focusing on diets. I'll ask again, how do you explain the billions women spend on beauty products? How come men don't have drawer fulls of creams, tinctures, makeup and hair products?

No, I'm talking about the hair on my face. I don't shave my body hair because it's not uncomfortable. I shave the hair on my face because it causes discomfort.

The original debate was about women getting rid off hair from their bodies because it's a societal norm. You don't shave your legs because men aren't conditioned to do so. To be considered feminine in the UK women are supposed to have no body hair.

Well I have lost weight in the past, so I have indeed experienced weight loss. I think your comment was a bit bizarre- health messages, and media messages promoting weight loss, are definitely promoted to both genders, not just women.

So you've had comments and messages all your life about your body and how good it is to be thin? Weight loss products are aimed at men, it's mostly men at weight watchers and other industry providers? I'm surprised to hear that because men are usually encouraged to look bigger not thinner, to hit the gym and bulk up. Protein shakes are usually aimed at men for example.

I'm not saying that men can't or don't lose weight, I'm saying that women are under more pressure than men to look good. Accordingly there is a billion dollar industry around that. The fact you don't recognise that and find it 'bizarre' is because you're not female.

"... People who have mentioned men on here, I've never heard any man ever suggest a woman needs overly plumped lips, or a gravity defying arse.
This is all down to the aesthetics industry, mainly run by women, and what they promote on social media."

This ^

As a man I've never seen a Kardashian arse as being at all attractive or appealing. On the contrary it's a big turn-off.

Ditto giant, pneumatic, hemispherical boobs and ridiculously filled lips. And all the men I know have the same view of these "modifications".