To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

Is pure selfishness. My DS went to Turkey for a gastric bypass, which cost buttons. Literally off the plane, onto the table and back on a plane the next day. I begged her not to do it. She’s got 4 DCs, and wasn’t even morbidly obese (size 16/18). She just couldn’t be arsed dieting and wanted a quick fix. She’s had loads of complications since and now looks emaciated.

I can’t understand why people would risk leaving their children orphans in the name of their own vanity. Those poor children. 😔

It's social media that killed that woman. Nobody in real life has these massive arses and tiny waists. She's not seen it on the school run or in the supermarket. She's seen it on the unregulated juggernaut that is the modern internet.

Sounds like she has 5 daughters. What a world they have to grow up in?

I despair having to raising daughters sometimes.

That's quite a reductist view of R v Brown - this was a case against a backdrop of extreme homophobia, it was a group of gay men into extreme sexual practices, but they did list a lot of exceptions in the case.

R v BM is more closely aligned to this case anyway - a person undertaking body modifications. In that case, a guy was removing ears and splitting tongues and was done for ABH. The defining criteria for whether an ABH has been committed is if there was good reason for it. For cosmetic surgeries (that are carried out lawfully and within the regulatory framework), there would arguably be a good reason.

But R v Brown doesn't really apply to this case anyway as if I recall correctly the people who carried out the procedure have been arrested, for manslaughter. There will no doubt be more uncovered in the following investigation.

Huge sympathy to the woman’s family, but really, despite some popular culture celebration of the look, most of us manage NOT to take expensive risks or make physical modifications to our bodies.

Individuals have to bear responsibility for this. Those who make money from it, those who choose to take the risk.

Unlike surgery and procedures designed to support weight loss this doesn’t even have any health benefits.

I completely agree with this. Although it's technically not her fault. Her kids will now grow up without a mother because of her stupid vanity.

In the past women felt pressure to wear corsets that were extremely tight and damaged their body

Vanity ! and too much money - which should have gone to family life - tragic

Because it is our society and culture that has made her think she needs this surgery

This constant desire to perform for the male gaze

Constantly putting our value into the way we look

Because men are often part of the demand for ‘slim thick’ bodies on social media.

Just have a look at the people who will have been carrying out this procedure and where she went to have it done...

She made her choice, nobody forced her to spend thousands of pounds to mutilate herself. Now were are being asked to contribute to her funeral and that does make me mad. If she choose to prioritise her ego over buying life insurance that's her fault. Her community wants a huge show off funeral, they can pay for it. I doubt any money raised would be spent on her children's education after all that community don't value education.

No one said they can’t exist at the same time. But women shouldn’t be responsible for men’s mental health crisis.

Very true. I can also hardly believe that @Function is almost blaming men for adult women stupidly CHOOSING cosmetic procedures. No one forced her.

Me too. I envy those women with tiny bums.

There is no pressure from society in general, to have a bigger bum. I don't know anyone who has even talked about it.
It's more to do with algorithms that keep giving you more of the same, once you start looking for something.
Yes, it's tragic for her family, but she made the choice herself and probably didn't realize how dangerous the procedure can be.

Very cr-ass thread title

It’s the way this one was done. Essentially, lip filler injected on a massive scale.

Ive had a big bum all my life and i loathe it....I spend my life trying to hide it...why on earth anyone would want this procedure is beyond me.

I find it an interesting moral discussion. I studied law at university and I remember the classes where we were taught that no one can consent to harmful practices eg extreme BDSM so even if they did consent, the perpetrator is still committing a crime.

I find it interesting that this doesn’t extend to surgeons (who, additionally, have presumably taken the oath “do no harm”) performing non-medically necessary procedures on completely healthy patients that come with a risk of death.

@GuPuddingRamekinHoarder it's brought about by the inherently sexist and patriarchal society we live in, both issues can exist at the same time

She died from complications during an endoscopy.

I can only think it must be the sheer volume of filler that's needed to augment an arse. You're only getting 1ml or something for filling lines or lips.

There's enormous pressure on women to look a certain way. There always has been but with the advent of social media, they're bombarded with these images 24/7.

Women in the public eye are mocked for any perceived imperfections, then mocked if they have surgery and derided if it goes wrong.

Porn also plays a big part in this; the pornification of women's bodies from removing all body hair, to breast implants to butt lifts. These women are trying to look like sex dolls.

I would say "because men are too sensible" but then you see them with tattoos on their faces...
Safe to say that this is not a beauty pressure most of us feel. It's very extreme and not on the radar of the majority of the population because it looks so fucking ridiculous.