To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

Many people do not know this

She apparently offers the procedure at her own clinic so I would hope she is fully aware of the risks, otherwise she would have been putting others at risk.

I think that some posters are being really harsh on the poor mother. Really harsh! The issue is this: fillers are seen as a cosmetic procedure rather than surgical and the business is unregulated. So currently beauty salons can carry out this sort of stuff. However, there is a risk that any filler can migrate into a large vein and cause an embolism. Many people do not know this. So when you see a sign for fillers and botox at a 'clinic' it all sounds and feels very safe. It's just a few little injections, right? So for me the lady is not to blame as, yes it was a bit of a vanity decision, but one that she perceived as being very low risk.

The issue here is with tv programmes and the media that perpetuate fillers etc as the norm and with the govt for failing to get their act together and properly regulate the issue.

Ironically the woman who sadly died had also not long been offering this service on her own beauty business page!

The whole industry needs to be better regulated but it does seem bizarre and irresponsible of her to have a risky procedure being a mother of 5.

Whilst I agree with you that society stresses youth and beauty, a lot of that is from other women. Not men. As I have said previously, no man I know even likes the look this woman was going for.
if you take a look at porn sites, all have them have categories for Milf and granny. Men actually find women attractive as they get older. I'm 55 and don't find women under 40 attractive anymore. Yes I can and do think "she's pretty" . But I no longer want to even think about getting into any sort of romantic or sexual relationship with them.
I personally think that the multi billion pound beauty industry is behind all of this false premise that all men want is younger looking women. Someone said that men aren't targeted by it. That is increasing becoming untrue. Young men are also falling into the trap of being body conscious. You only have to watch a football match on tv, the adds will either be for men's beauty products or gambling.

They may die if they eschew conventional medication in favour of homeopathy!

Have died due to a lack of conventional, evidence based treatment.

No one dies from homeopathy. It doesn't do anything.

You don't know they don't value education. Presumably they want a nice funeral, current cost about 8k, I imagine. That's a lot to find suddenly. Even a fairly simple one is 3k.

She had the choice. However, the pressure on young women to conform to 'beauty standards' as presented by celebrities is very great. How much pressure did her DP (now landed with bringing up his children on his own) put on her re dieting, getting her body into shape etc?

Sex stereotypes are currently on steroids. This woman is a victim of the obsession to look and stay young, that burdens all women. I am sorry for her. I am sorry for all young women facing these pressures.

Of course the industry should be more regulated but equally, look at this guy. He’s a walking red flag.

He is a walking gargoyle.

You know children have died from the quack "science" of homeopathy?

Yes, as tragic as it is, I don’t think you can blame society for someone going to an unqualified person such as this for a serious and risky procedure.

Of course the industry should be more regulated but equally, look at this guy. He’s a walking red flag.

It’s interesting, societal pressure and the belief of the individual that they are immune to it.

Breast shape, for example. I don’t think women have breasts the shape they are ‘supposed’ to be. Maybe for some, for a brief period in their youth.

So we wear clothes designed to look good on bodies no one has.
We design bras to make our boobs look like boobs don’t actually look, rather than purely for comfort.

But none of that is societal pressure of course. Our understanding of what ‘flattering’ is has no relation to societal pressure. What looks ‘good’, ‘suits us better’, all totally freely chosen and nothing to do with societal pressure. Of course not.

I mean... this is the guy she went to for the procedure. Surely a walking advert AGAINST fillers?!? 😳

A tragic waste of a life, sadly.
Heartbreaking for her 5 daughters.

A total waste of money too.
How much does a BBL cost ?
I'd prefer to save the money for my children.

Also I don’t understand why OP is worked up by this story. The woman took the risk and died. That’s her business not mine.

Well 50 years ago spoilt rich women did have facelifts but they were mostly laughed at. Cosmetic surgery has become mainstream now. That in itself is tragic.

I don’t really understand the BBL trend.

My cousin has one and looks ridiculous. Also you can easily get a bigger, perkier bum in the gym.

Makes no sense to me.

But it's mumsnet, it's easier to blame men than for women to take responsibility for their own stupid decisions, like getting silicone injected into your arse.

As someone who has recently undergone surgery (for breast cancer) I was absolutely petrified that something would go wrong during the operation and that I wouldn't wake up and would leave my 2 kids without a mum. You really do have to question the mentality of these people who choose to have unnecessary surgery.

Mumsnet can sometimes be so ass backwards when it comes to how people expect women (and men) to behave. Nobody forced her, she made her choice. I'm sure she also knew the risks. It's sad, but to say she's a victim of society treats her as someone with no agency in her own life. I've seen this in other threads, particularly when it comes to people working in any sex type industry. I've worked in strip clubs, we are not all poor abused women forced into a life of debauchery. I made my choice, and I did it because of money. I had no problem using my looks and sexuality for my advantage.

Having just read who she went to for the procedure it just blows my mind. 🤯 Just looking at "the Lip King" would surely put anyone off having any procedures at that studio?!

Also, Alice was naturally very pretty and the old natural photos are infinitely nicer than the more recent ones where she clearly had lip and other fillers. Why can't people see themselves?!?

Why are we calling women lower intelligence?

We know one aspect of their lives and that they likely suffer from body dysmorphia.

@Diplodoofus no idea, she looked beautiful before I assume having her lips done and god knows what else. You can always tell and it looks awful. I think the fillers get naturally removed from the body over a few months, but they can move other places and all sorts I think.

I saw the guy they arrested on an episode of Botched, I remember raising an eyebrow at the time because he said he does his own injections despite not having any qualifications in it. I remember thinking "that sounds like a recipe for disaster". You have to be so careful with surgical procedures and know exactly where all the nerves etc. are and what could happen.

@shuggles.

From the minute females are born they are judged and rewarded for their beauty. Young girls are complimented for being pretty. You rarely hear people saying "Oh what a strong girl you are", or "What a clever girl you are".

As teens, they are bombarded with critiques of female body shapes. Whether it's magazines or more recently social media. every teen mag I ever bought contained page after page of what beauty must-haves you need. pictures of beautiful women that hardly anyone could achieve. lose 10lbs in 10 days articles or get beach body ready.
Now it's reality shows where none of the women are overweight or have unusual looks, they all look like bloody clones of each other.

It's constant, even when you get a bit older its use this cream or that, try this procedure or that, stay young, and don't age! FGs don't age.
Women are keenly aware that their value in society is based mainly on their looks. It starts young and its constantly reinforced by society
Even if we die it's seen as more tragic somehow if we were attractive or pretty. They even make a point of mentioning it in the news ie "Tragic death of pretty teen"
It takes a strong woman to refuse to go along with it because those types of women are derided for it.