To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

Not everyone is clever - rule of thumb half are less clever than average

Are you happy for less clever people to die because of the society we have all built?

Suspect this thread will go poof there is no much nastiness

That's your prerogative. Hopefully it might give some other misguided woman food for thought.

Shaving is a great example of societal pressure, as the majority of women with their legs out have them shaved.

BBLs are not.

I remember the shock when Denise Henry died after botched liposuction and yet here we are nearly 20 years later and women are dying from poor quality medical conditions procedures carried out by people who put profit before safety.

It's appalling - both that women feel the need to do it and that it's possible to have it done

Then don't spout nonsense.

I'm not angry for her. It was her own stupid choice and there is no pressure that I can see to do this. Everyone I know thinks it looks ridiculous. It is a societal issue in that we tolerate this kind of batshittery in the name of women's rights.

Most women would never dream of doing something so stupid.

Oh please, what a load of nonsense! She was a grown adult who made a decision to have a risky procedure that would give her a bigger arse. Stupid, stupid risk to take.

Totally different story. The one being discussed here was non surgical.

Yes, this! Ghastly people.

Well clearly her daughters won't be influenced by her now, will they? Her death may act as a deterrent to them to get cosmetic procedures. However, unless there are significant changes in society in the next decade, I'd be very surprised if at least some of their self worth wasn't tied up with their looks. They're female. That's how it is the world over. Its not the fault of our mothers'.

Yep, the problem with fillers is they're so often done outside a medical environment.

I was having this conversation at the hairdressers just the other week. As well as hair and nails, they also do aesthetics, and the lady who does them is a trained nurse and very personable. When I was there I heard her explaining to someone on the phone that they don't offer bum fillers. So we got talking about that after, as you do, and she said she considers them a lot less safe than face and wouldn't do them outside a medical environment. I didn't know any of this til she told me, and thought of her this morning when this sad news came out.

The inquest was presented with this number based on a lot of data.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-66798236

Don’t be rude, it’s unnecessary.

Enough of the ‘pressures of society’ bullshit. The vast majority of women DO NOT have BBLs, so clearly it’s not that pressing an issue.

She made a personal choice, a stupid one IMO, but it was her choice to do it.

Yes exactly.

OP asks if its tragic. Yes, 100% as it was totally self inflicted and avoidable.

I'd love to see all this cosmetic filling stuff banned and removed from being normalised on TV. Look at Love Island, everyone was saying how beautiful Grace was when all I saw was a feline-esque mutilaited face like the Bogdanoff twins. The whole "industry" needs huge regulation or banning.

I have been noting the general spread of porn culture/aesthetics, but any discussion both here and elsewhere is often met with " Stop clutching your pearls". And too often by men who seem to have infiltrated MN.

Weak people will end up doing stupid things because of society pressure and it saddens me that sone people want to excuse it under some kind of "all her own fault" "free will" myth

I guess once you accept that we don't have as much free will as we like to think , that we all conform to society demands and biological drivers to a greater or lesser degree , you feel a little less important in your own life ?

Of course this is the left vs right , society vs individual choice that runs through our country - just a very specific example

Desperately sad , and quite nasty that people blame the victim here

Or is it driven by women who want a male gaze? I’ve never met a man in my life who has shown any interest in women getting bum lifts or boob jobs.

A big bum - that's my worst nightmare - can't believe people are paying for it!
Why is this stupid and dangerous surgery even allowed in the UK - nonsense like this needs to be banned.

We're talking about looks, things people do to look a certain way. Try to keep up.

Impossible to calculate the risk on such an unknown procedure.

Agreed, a lot of the language is distasteful, talking about her bum.