To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

@Allfur but as I said, personally, I find it feels better when I shave. I don’t know why, I just do - I've gone months without shaving and just find that personally I prefer how my legs feel when I have shaved.

It's not even remotely comparable.

People who have mentioned men on here, I've never heard any man ever suggest a woman needs overly plumped lips, or a gravity defying arse.
This is all down to the aesthetics industry, mainly run by women, and what they promote on social media.

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Don't have any stats but I'm willing to bet the easy availability of porn promoting this aesthetic is a massive driver and of course the biggest consumers of such porn is likely to be men. So indirectly I think they are absolutely a factor

But you can exfoliate with hair on them

@Allfur personally I find that shaving exfoliates me in a way that scrubs just can't (because it does get dead skin cells as well) and it means my legs feel more moisturised - I'm certainly not doing it to look good as my legs are never on display!

No, sorry. None of the women in my family shave… I was brought up seeing body hair as normal and shaving/hair removal certainly was not expected.

The only thing I remove is my armpit hair because I prefer how deodorant applies and I feel like I get less sweaty (though I often don’t shave for a few weeks at a time)… But that’s for me and my comfort. Fuck all to do with capitulating to social pressure

That's utter tripe.

Even if it wasn't - what of it? Nobody ever died at the hands of Mr Bic or Miss Immac!!!

Surely shaving adds to physical discomfort, how does it make you feel more comfortable?

I agree. I think there should be better education and possibly more regulations when it comes to procedures like this, but I don’t think it’s the „society“ that pressures women into such extreme bodily modifications.
I mean, there are plenty of women walking around without having had any surgery done.
I see plenty of „normal“ looking women. The fact that there’s currently a slim/ thick or whatever trend on social media doesn’t mean that that’s how „society“ demands you should look.

I’m trying to give poor Alice Webb the benefit that she didn’t make her decision in a vacuum.

I think people are on this thread are either very naive or deliberately obtuse on the demands of society on women.

Knew that was coming. To highlight that this particular ‘stupid choice’ seems to be the preserve of women and provoke thought as to why that may be. Not to put men and their woes front and centre. That’s the difference.

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And that's exactly how I read your initial post - gobsmacked other posters can't see that point. It's not about who is dying prematurely most but why this path is one women follow more.

Male suicide is a worthy discussion and deserves its own thread.

So, so tragic. I had a breast reduction operation last year done by a leading surgeon in the NHS (op was private of course). I felt entirely safe throughout and would not have done it if I thought there was a meaningful risk of death.

Which sports have a 1:4,000 risk of death? Even sky diving is less than 1:100,000. I can imagine going for a run or playing tennis is anywhere near as risky.

I know someone who left a toddler fatherless after mountaineering in the Himilayas. I think that was equally selfish.

Yes, of course the majority of women aren't getting BBLs. Still concerned by the increase in fillers and such like. Women of a certain demographic have all started to look like plastic dolls.

@Runnerinthenight I've already had this discussion, apparently I only shave my legs (that are very rarely on display) for men

I also agree. I have asked my male friends and colleagues their opinions on this stuff before and the overwhelming response is- they hate the way it looks.

I have yet to come across a single man who says their dream is meeting a woman who has had a bum enhancement or inflated lips. Quite the contrary, they are vocally against it. I dont know where this idea comes from that it's men encouraging women to get this stuff done, it isnt. It's women who have bought into this idea from social media that it attracts men when in reality it's off-putting to them.

Give women some credit will you!

Which 'norm' are you referring to? Utter twaddle. She made a choice, if she did 30 seconds of research she would have known the dangers.

Good point. And those men often put other people in danger because then they need to be rescued.

The vast vast vast majority of women aren't dying from it either. Sometimes people, including women, make stupid choices. Yes there's societal pressure to look good, there's also personal responsibility.

Indeed.

Bollocks to that - I shave because I feel more comfortable. I don't remove hair from my lady bits. Entirely my choice. At my age I don't give a stuff about societal pressure.

Why did you mention men in the first place then? SMH.