To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

It’s a reductive argument. We all conform to social pressure to some extent: if you’ve showered this week and are wearing clothing today, you have, too. Virtually all of us choose to conform to social pressure because we live within society, and as long as the practices we choose to conform with are broadly non-harmful, they don’t matter. It’s daft trying to equate a harmless procedure like leg shaving practiced by hundreds of millions of people around the world with dangerous and literally toxic cosmetic procedures which attract only a tiny minority of people, where it would be helpful to understand exactly what does attract then when there’s no real impetus from the majority of society towards them.

In a way it sounds like you are blaming her husband. He might have said he wasnt keen, liked her as she was, blah blah blah. At the end of the day it´s her body, her decision.
Here in Madrid where I live a mom of two had one of these mummy makeovers/liposuction. It went terribly wrong and at autopsy it was found she had been literally stabbed during liposuction in the abdomen and died of sepsis. Surgeon was newbie on this type of procedure and not enough qualified. She left two kids, one about a year old. Her husband had tried to talk her out of it several times. She took zero notice.

Her husband should have maybe talked her out of it? or tried?

I've had a nose job and my husband told me I didnt need it. I did it anyway. I did it for me because my nose was all wonky from being broken as a kid.

Many of my friends get fillers and would hit the roof if their partners told them not to. Their response would be: "my body, my money, my choice". Regardless of the rights/wrongs of the cosmetic industry, if someone is very determined to do something, they will do it. You cant blame their family for it (unless of course they were the ones who pressured them into doing it in the first place obv but largely, people do this because they want to).

Is that your argument?

Ditto!

It is not de rigeur for men to shave legs and pits

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Sadly her child have lost their mother, because she wanted a bigger ass.

Natural selection at its finest. Poor children though. I don’t think it pressure from
society so much as vanity. No one intelligent will be getting this op/procedure!

And neither are you, however adding to the discussion is better than policing it.

@Allfur @poppyzbrite4

I shave my legs,pp, because otherwise the hairs catch in my socks and annoy me. I shave my armpits because the deodorant can get clumpy In The hairs ( yes, I am quite hairy 🙄 🦧

Completely comfort driven, nothing to do with the ‘male gaze’ or ‘societal pressure’ because I am much too old for society , and men, to gaze at me with other tthan horror and despair (possibly compassion if you are very nice).

It’s a completely false analogy, clutching at straws for an excuse for profoundly disturbed behaviour.

How does BBL improve a persons life?
What are the benefits of BBL?

Can someone make a list?

If it’s to attract male partners … I’m not sure how many more you can get if the options are:

1. free sex
2. free sex with a BBL

do male partners care? Would reject free sex if no big bum? Or given choice of free sex with 2 similar except for bum, they choose the bum? And you want to be the one chosen?

Or educate me, why why why?

Try not to be so rude. You're not in charge of the conversation, you know!

They werent married. And although he looks like a traveller isnt it bad for men to tell women what to do/ not to do?

I think calling someone stupid would class as slagging off to me

I didn't say that using deodorant was capitulating to social pressure, I said that shaving was. I was making a point about how women are pressured to look a certain way.

You not shaving doesn't mean that other women don't or that you don't do other things in order to conform to social norms.

Besides which, both men and women shave so it's a really stupid analogy.

I agree. I’m angry for her children, who had a right to be raised by their mother, who are now down to one parent, because their mother just had to have a cosmetic procedure done to inflate the size of her behind. It’s a tragedy for the poor little ones who will one day realise their mother wasn’t killed in an accident or by sudden illness, but by vanity.

It's a subject that needs to be discussed. Her husband should have maybe talked her out of it? or tried?

Nobody's "slagging her off" either.

Can people talking about shaving please fk off. Its irrelevant to pumping your body full of fillers.

The fact you've been confirming to social pressure to look a certain way but been unaware of it, doesn't make it 'tripe'.

It helps to read what someone is responding to before commenting. I didn't say that you could die from shaving, I was making a point about capitulating to social pressure.

Hear hear

Because she’s been brainwashed?

People who have mentioned men on here, I've never heard any man ever suggest a woman needs overly plumped lips, or a gravity defying arse.
This is all down to the aesthetics industry, mainly run by women, and what they promote on social media.

I agree.

Agreed. Fillers, botox, bbls, nose jobs, etc they're all the same concept - trying to inflate or 'fix' what you don't have naturally for cosmetic purposes. Unnecessary and dangerous.