To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

But it was the same with women's magazines. I could never understand why women read them. I saw one once which had pictures of Victoria Beckham with circles around her cellulite. They were always about shaming.

I think this is going too far. A massive bum isn’t the societal norm, it was still a choice and she wasn’t pressured. Although no one can disagree that there are societal pressures on women, no one is under such intense pressure (at least not from society) that they would voluntarily put themselves through an incredibly dangerous procedure. Most people with sense realise that life is more valuable than looks.

Most of them shave their faces surely?

Some sportsman shave/wax their legs?

It's not de rigeur for women to shave legs and pits for that matter? In fact some probably don a winter coat??

Exactly - thats my point. I dont get why its so popular

I watched an interview with Lauren Goodyear recently from TOWIE and she said all the girls were given the tweekments for free and she is trying to undo the whole lot right now. She said you end up getting a very distorted view of what’s normal because of social media and the scrutiny that comes from the press/paparazi.

She was a natural beauty. I guess once you train in aesthetics you practice what you preach and become an advert for it.

The advertising comes because there's an audience.

Why is there an audience for Love Island?

No, thank goodness.

I just dont see the appeal of this kind of wanky tv.

You clearly don't work in TV advertising ...

I dont get this either. I've only seen 20 mins of love island and it was the biggest pile of vacuous shit I've ever seen. I am not saying everything we watch has to be noble or intellectual by any means but I just dont see the appeal of this kind of wanky tv.

@YesterdaysFuture but when done properly they're a lot safer, same as a lot of things - people choose the cheaper price point and sometimes have to deal with the consequences

If these procedures were illegal, then a lot of people would think twice.

The history of abortion suggestions otherwise.

Oh god I’ve just read the daily mail
link I posted as it’s been updated and it showed her before she started messing with her face. She was a VERY pretty woman. What on earth is going on where already very attractive women are using fillers and Botox to ‘enhance’ their faces and basically running their looks in the process?

It has to be body dysmorphia surely? Too much scrutinising of perceived flaws.

Brush up on grammar.

I dare say "Dane" let her get on with whatever it was. She worked in that industry, he'd likely put the onus on her and I doubt they sat down over dinner and debated the risks of it.

I think the problem is that because this stuff isn't illegal people think it is safe, we live in a society where most dangerous stuff is illegal and it creates these assumptions of safety.

If these procedures were illegal, then a lot of people would think twice. For some reason people think that a medical procedure in a shed must be safe if it's legal.

A lot of stuff is only legal, because the government haven't got round to banning it yet, stuff doesn't start as illegal and then waits for the government to legalise it.

It's not a conventional BBL, it's filler, totally unregulated and anyone can offer it

Not if they're planning on a dangerous and unnecessary procedure. I think anyone who loved someone would try to convince them otherwise. Wouldn't you?

Why are these women looking at this stuff? Why do they get these apps, watch this shit telly, not put their phones down? What are they getting from these apps etc that undoubtedly make them feel inadequate and shit about themselves, that makes having them worthwhile? What hole do these apps fill? Is it boredom?

@Runnerinthenight the thing is it's impossible to regulate, people will always want these services and will do anything to get them.

It's a bit like medications etc., that are available for private prescriptions. You just have to trust that people will get them legitimately. Sadly not everyone does and they pay the price for that

What do you even mean by that? You're making no sense!

If this poor lady wasn't "suited to motherhood" then maybe she would have figured that out before having 5 children?

It’s a daily mail link if you can cope with it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13895111/Moment-Britains-Lip-King-arrested-death-mother-Alice-Webb.html?ico=article_preview_xp_mobile

No, I think you will find you did.

And pray tell, what might be the relevance of that to the price of eggs??? I'm not a member of the RF, so that the actual fuck are you on about???
How low do you have to go! Maybe try a rational argument next time instead of going all female dog.

You're right, they do, but this is one that might be easier to tackle?

I've a great nail tech, very driven, great business head on her. Always developing her skills. This means going on 2 day courses on injecting fillers, what have you (I don't keep up!) costing maybe £3000.

Now, I am very fond of her personally - have been going to her for a long time now - and she does great nails but would I hell ever let her near me with a needle!! I'm sure she's very careful and particular about what she is doing but I'd hesitate to have any of those procedures carried out even by someone medically qualified....